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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Seems like it's an outdated opinion, or a pro-ICE car one. Fossil fuel is here to stay and a lot of car maker is slowing down the electric car adaptation and goes into hybrid instead. EV will not save the car industry unless countries ban ICE car, which might be a few decades away globally from actually materialise. There's still infrastructure lacking for people to charge their car, there's still battery fire for them to worry about, and there's still range anxiety.

And despite all that, people who decided to purchase an EV 5 or so years ago does help to push the thing to wider market, and that's a good thing. Of course it's better if people swap to multimodal commuting, but right now a lot of places doesn't have that privilege.

In general, EV alone isn't gonna save the planet, there's shit tons of thing to do before we move toward that goal, and EV is part of that thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

While I completely agree with you, consumers are slowly moving that way, regulations are slowly moving that way, and costs of fuel will eventually move that way quicker and quicker. Either the car industry listens because people will jump ship to the brands that embrace it or go to the potentially more sustainable and environmentally friendly public transportation. At this point it's a smart competitive decision to start building the R&D, manufacturing, and supply chains for widespread EVs. You don't want to be on the back foot when it does become necessity.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

The main attractor to me is that with an electric car, you could theoretically be energy independent. Same goes with an ebike.

Eg, Solar -> battery -> EV/ebike

No need to be relying on rotten dinosaurs dug up out of wherever, with a million middle men and taxes.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

As an EV owner, and I approve this message

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I can't buy a metro line for my city, I can make sure my next car is electric. Buying an electric car is morally superior to buying a gas car.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago

I generally agree with this sentiment: fuck cars in general, but we can't discount the reduction in oil demand associated with EVs. Transportation accounts for 50%ish of total emissions. That's a big piece of the pie in terms of emissions reduction. Further, storage and reduction don't translate at a 1:1 ratio. If you reduce, you're much better off than storing in terms of carbon.

Do we need a much better transportation system? Absofuckingloutley. EVs can help transition, at least in the short term but I see hybrid of trains/buses and micromobility as the path forward

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's better to transition private cars now because that's going to take years in and of itself and it's relatively easy and fast to swap out the centralized power plants for greener options later. Swap out one dirty power plant for a green plant and everything electric connected to it is instantly greener in turn.

Even if the US went all in on public infrastructure today, it would still take decades

Not giving any money to Musk though, there are other options.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

@cm0002 @ByteOnBikes yes, but the idea that EV's solve things makes people think it is okay to not be all in on PT.

And it's not okay.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You're so right...using electricity to drive here in Texas is so much less carbon intensive than gasoline powered engines it's not even close. Switching to an EV instantly makes a huge difference in your carbon footprint

[–] [email protected] 93 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean, while we still have so much car centric infrastructure in the states, they can be a useful transition.

I say this as someone who primarily commutes by bicycle btw. Public transit in my area is piss poor. Unpredictable buses, no light rail. Hell there aren't even sidewalks everywhere.

My wife recently got a fully electric car, and I support that move. She is not ready to go car free. But at least we are not necessarily burning fossil fuels to power trips to the grocery store. I think the closest power plants to us are nuclear and hydroelectric. Im sure there's a coal plant in the mix too tho.

Would never give elon a cent of our money though

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