That's going to be a lot of North Koreans fleeing to Ukraine
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Maybe.
The Kim dynasty has a history of using family as leverage. That's potent stuff in terms of social control.
kagis for an example
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Mrs Kim's only crime was what Kim Jong-il's regime calls yeon-jwa-je – guilt by association. In the early 1970s her grandfather defected to South Korea and under North Korea's system of collective punishment for political crimes, the entire family was rounded up. "We were living in Pyongyang," she explains, referring to North Korea's capital. "I was just 13 at the time and the whole family had been classified by the state as a 'dangerous element'."
Ordered to leave her home by armed guards, she would not see the outside of a labour camp for the next 28 years. Mrs Kim was taken to Bukchang, a gulag run directly by the interior ministry, which refers to it by its bland official title: Kwan-li-so (penal-labour colony) No 18. A sprawling complex that straddles the Taedong river, it houses an estimated 10,000 inmates, the vast majority of whom are political prisoners serving life sentences in a country where life really does mean life.
The regime is slightly less strict than the camps at Yodok and Kaechon, but beatings, starvation and summary executions are still common. "We were always hungry," recalls Mrs Kim. "Every day was a struggle to find food. The camp provided a single meal of corn gruel, but it was never enough. We would go out looking for anything green to eat. The most popular item was acorn leaves as they were easier to digest." The misery of malnutrition was compounded by long bouts of forced labour – the average working day was 16 hours. The "lucky ones" worked on farms or in the prison itself but most toiled in coal mines that fed the nearby power station, slowly succumbing to exhaustion and disease.
As the decades passed, Mrs Kim's grandmother died after years of hunger and her mother and brother were killed in work accidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_punishment
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Numerous testimonies of North Korean defectors confirm the practice of kin punishment (연좌제, yeonjwaje literally "association system") in North Korea, under which three to eight generations of a political offender's family can be summarily imprisoned or executed.[11] Such punishment is based on internal Workers' Party protocols and lies outside the formal legal system.[12] Relatives are not told why they fell under suspicion and the punishment extends to children born in prison.[13] The association system was introduced with the North Korean state's founding in 1948, having previously existed under the Joseon kingdom.[13][11]
If you go back to medieval times, Europe used to have some similar practices.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_(youth)
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During the European Middle Ages, a charge often meant an underage person placed under the supervision of a nobleman. Charges were the responsibility of the nobleman they were charged to, and they were usually expected to be treated as guests or a member of the household. Charges were at times used more or less openly as hostages, in order to keep their parents in line.
Sooo does Ukraine get to tag in a buddy too? Papa Putin, play fair now.
I'm guessing that's not what he's going for here.
How does that not make NK a direct war party here?
Next is the enclave of plumbers! And then the wave of cable guys!
20 years later..... The 4567th battalion, they fought the Ukrainians invading Ukraine. P.Petrovsky had layed a P trap heroically when shit hit the fan. That's when officer H.Holtz launched the installation of almost 100 coaxial filters. But it wasn't enough, and they both perished that day. Anyway, they can never touch Russia now! We may be the first space station nation, but they can't touch us now! Gentlemen! Pass me the poop bags! We're about to cross Mexico city! That'll teach them! They're so happy with their nation, just because they didn't invade their smaller neighbor. Here's more soil!
Mira! Los rusos son tan buenos! Siempre nos dan fertilisante! Que pinches rusos locos!
arent they already halfway starved to death? I would call it a "meat grinder", but its mostly skin and bones with them.
I imagine that being a soldier in DPRK is appealing because you get to eat regularly.
the defected soldiers a while ago were malnourished, if i remember correctly.
the russians always accuse the west of escalating the conflict, but then they are the ones actually pulling other countries soldiers into their hopeless war. this is what really escalates it. maybe to WW3 level. it's time to conquer and split russia, so they can't do any more damage, like Germany after WW2.
Your bravado is dumb and reckless as fuck. Cornering a sociopath like Putin is exactly what will start a nuclear war; when his dictatorship is collapsing around him and he has nothing else to lose, but still controls the chain of command. A nuclear war with Russia, even if most of their nukes fail, will still result in tens of millions dying, as a best case scenario.
Like it or not, nukes mean we can only really contain those dictators within their borders and try to turn their people against them. The best case scenario is that less extreme generals overthrow him, but history has taught us (especially Russian history) that is unlikely. When he dies, maybe someone less megalomaniacal will take over.
Like it or not, nukes mean we can only really contain those dictators within their borders
Have you been under a rock this whole time? Russia is already beyond their own borders.
I mean fight them back to their borders obviously, but apparently the average on Lemmy is thick, slow, and ignorant, so I'll spell it out for you... Once the goal is to "conquer" a nuclear armed dictator, you run the risk of cornering a sociopath who has nothing else to lose and is likely to murder everyone if they can't have it all.
Dictator = sociopath. Nuclear war = psycho. Everyone die. Triggering nuclear war = dumb cunt... Get it?
Ah yes, the poor "cornered" invader. No amount of insults is going to save your position. You're enabling Russia with such rhetoric and everyone sees it.
also, Ukraine already crossed the russian border in multiple locatins into the Khursk region and not a single nuke was fired.
Limp dick appeasement is how we got here ...
But sure nukes 🤡
I think the West as a collective should at least stop being so passive and draw some red lines itself.
Two points:
First, other articles state that these are expected to be used in an engineering role, not in a combat role. That will potentially have an impact on the front line in that it will permit Russia to use Russian engineering forces in a combat role. But they aren't expected to be fighting themselves.
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4925134-ukraine-strikes-russian-ammunition-depots/
South Korean TV network TV Chosun, citing a South Korean government official, reported on June 21 that South Korea expected North Korea to deploy a large-scale engineering force to the Donetsk Oblast as early as July 2024. The cover story at the time was that the force would help rebuild infrastructure in Donetsk City.
As the Institute for the Study of War stated in its June 26 update, there is no reporting to suggest that North Korean military personnel intend to participate in combat operations in Ukraine. But “the engineering deployed to the region can free up Russian combat power for operations along the frontline and aid Russian efforts to expand military infrastructure and defensive fortifications in occupied Ukraine.”
South Korea’s Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun told lawmakers on Tuesday that North Korea is likely to deploy members of its regular armed forces to Ukraine in support of Russia. He stated, “As Russia and North Korea have signed a mutual treaty akin to a military alliance, the possibility of such a deployment is highly likely.”
Second, there are some news articles about changes on the North Korea-South Korea border. Not sure if this is related.
North Korea’s army said it will take the “substantial military step” of completely cutting off its territory from South Korea on Wednesday, after months of fortifying its heavily armed border.
The announcement, which comes after North Korean leader Kim Jong Un scrapped a longstanding policy of seeking peaceful reunification with South Korea earlier this year, declared that remaining roads and railways connected to the South would be completely cut, blocking access along the border.
“The acute military situation prevailing on the Korean peninsula requires the armed forces of the DPRK to take a more resolute and stronger measure in order to more creditably defend the national security,” the General Staff of the Korean People’s Army (KPA) said, according to a notice on state-run news agency KCNA that referred to North Korea by the initials of its official name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.
Since January, Pyongyang has fortified its border defenses, laying land mines, building anti-tank traps and removing railway infrastructure, according to the South Korean military.
If you're going to cite multiple paragraphs please encapsulate them all in spoiler tag(s) to reduce the wall of text. TY
Do you have to pay per line you scroll on your phone/computer or something?
expected to be used in an engineering role, not in a combat role
Sure, and the people they've been recruiting for "a work-study program in fields like hospitality and catering" are doing what now? I suppose we'll see if North Koreans start popping up in the "Guy smekalkas himself a UAV-dropped bomb to the dome" videos.
Yeah, but there's a difference between random individual down-on-their-luck schmucks off in Cuba or Africa or wherever and arrangements being made between states.
Even in the individual recruiting cases, you had states that found out about the situation pushing for a stop and/or their nationals to be returned, as with India:
Mr Sufiyan said he was promised a security-related job and not told about having to help the troops in the war. He was told that he would have to undergo training for three months after which his salary would increase
Russia had agreed to India's demand to ensure early release of Indian nationals working with the Russian military as support staff after PM Modi "very strongly" raised the issue with President Vladimir Putin during his visit.