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I suspect that this is the direct result of AI generated content just overwhelming any real content.

I tried ddg, google, bing, quant, and none of them really help me find information I want these days.

Perplexity seems to work but I don't like the idea of AI giving me "facts" since they are mostly based on other AI posts

ETA: someone suggested SearXNG and after using it a bit it seems to be much better compared to ddg and the rest.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

It's not just you. At some point, search's primary purpose went from "finding the information you're looking for" to "getting paid to put links in front of you". Then they kept iterating on it, quarter by quarter, for a very long time.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The other day I googled how long should I broil a ribeye steak and the google AI told me to broil it for 45 minutes.

Broil is the hottest setting on the oven and you’re supposed to broil the meat as close to the burner as possible. This would probably burn down your house.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Huh...Can't replicate that claim (though I would believe it happening)

On the 20th Sep. I asked my Google Home if it would be raining.
It responded that it would rain. I asked when it would rain.
Home responded with "Today it won't rain."

Like what? 5 seconds ago you said it would. No weather report reports rain. Where did you get the first response from??
And I could even replicate it (have it on video)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I can’t get it to repeat it either but it was definitely an ai auto response thing from google ai overview or whatever it’s called

Now it’s giving distance from burner and everything lol. It’s learning 👀

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I've been trying to use ddg and I just find it infuriating that it never finds what I need, especially if I'm looking for local information about something. Google seems to always prioritize those types of results when I need them (probably because it makes it easier to sell me something).

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The whole internet is in the process of being filled with garbage content. Search engines are bad but also there's not much good content left to find (in % of the total)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

The Internet is dead ™

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Its not AIs fault, its advertising based SEOs fault. Search has been broken for years for many topics.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And the AI is trained on the shitty search results. It just parses them many times faster than a human reader can, which does at least make it better at getting to the fucking point. Once paid advertising is fully integrated with LLM, it will be as shitty and useless as traditional search. And then the entire world will collectively hop to the next trend so it can get hyper-monetized/enshittified, too.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't honestly even remember the last time I've googled something. Nowdays I'll just ask chatGPT

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The problem with getting answers from AI is that if they don't know something, they'll just make it up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

"If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do."

  • VanceGPT
[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

LLMs have their flaws but for my use it's usually good enough. It's rarely mission critical information that I'm looking for. It satisfies my thirst for an answer and even if it's wrong I'm probably going to forget it in a few hours anyway. If it's something important I'll start with chatGPT and then fact check it by looking up the information myself.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So, let me get this straight...you "thirst for an answer", but you don't care whether or not the answer is correct?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Of course I care whether the answer is correct. My point was that even when it’s not, it doesn’t really matter much because if it were critical, I wouldn’t be asking ChatGPT in the first place. More often than not, the answer it gives me is correct. The occasional hallucination is a price I’m willing to pay for the huge convenience of having something like ChatGPT to quickly bounce ideas off of and ask about stuff.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I agree that AI can be helpful for bouncing ideas off of. It's been a great aid in learning, too. However, when I'm using it to help me learn programming, for example, I can run the code and see whether or not it works.

I'm automatically skeptical of anything they tell me, because I know they could just be making something up. I always have to verify.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

this is like addiction to youtube "top 10 facts" and whatever similar videos

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Sounds an awful lot like some coworkers

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There's an extension that filters out websites from every engine. So like when you see Quora or other other digital garbage in your result, block it once and you'll never see another Quora article again.

Idr the name of the extension - I'll check when I get home and follow up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

It's probably uBlacklist, available on both Chromium-based and Firefox-based browsers. Filters websites and results for search.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kagi is good. I’m very happy with it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Yes, it is a premium service, but it really works well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank god I can find everything I need in wikipedia and reddit

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (3 children)

My experience is that search engines are still decent at finding niche information that would normally be hard to find. But for anything mainstream, for instance any household product that should be easy to find information about, instead how about these 300 pages of top 10 lists of Amazon affiliate links buried under AI generated filler?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

I've found that using Kagi, then DDG, then Google always gets me the results I need. But 95% of the time, Kagi gets it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Kagi is very good.

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