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Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How do I find product-market fit for my terminators?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41825473

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Today's entry in the wordpress saga: seizing plugins from devs. The author of this one appears to be affiliated with wpengine, which possibly signals more events like this in the future.

We have been made aware that the Advanced Custom Fields plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress dot org.

A plugin under active development has never been unilaterally and forcibly taken away from its creator without consent in the 21 year history of WordPress.

More details here: https://furry.engineer/@cendyne/113296240801713427

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Has wordpress matt had a stroke or what? This is off-the-wall.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Ahh, looks like the important stuff was already there. I could have sworn I checked, but apparently not!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

25071 + Oct 12 GitHub ( 20K) Your free GitHub Copilot access is ending soon

lol

guess how soon?3 days.

oooh how I'm looking forward to frog-boiler api adjustment pricing season, there's going to be so much cope

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This week's Mystery AI Hype Theater 3000 really hit home. It's about a startup trying to sell "The AI Scientist." It even does reviews!

Can “AI” do your science for you? Should it be your co-author? Or, as one company asks, boldly and breathlessly, “Can we automate the entire process of research itself?”

Major scientific journals have banned the use of tools like ChatGPT in the writing of research papers. But people keep trying to make “AI Scientists” a thing. Just ask your chatbot for some research questions, or have it synthesize some human subjects to save you time on surveys.

Alex and Emily explain why so-called “fully automated, open-ended scientific discovery” can’t live up to the grandiose promises of tech companies. Plus, an update on their forthcoming book!

https://peertube.dair-institute.org/w/s1Eyp5R4cdSZVm3y2q58xq

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Any mild pushback to the claims of LLM companies sure bring out the promptfondlers on lobste.rs

https://lobste.rs/s/qcppwf/llms_don_t_do_formal_reasoning_is_huge

Plenty of agreement, but also a lot of "what is reasoning, really" and "humans are dumb too, so it's not so surprisingly GenAIs are too!". This is sure a solid foundation for multi-billion startups, yes sirree.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

these chuds lack self awareness and they never realise that by moving the goalposts on brain stuff they are admitting their own idiocy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

it’s kind of comforting that the current attitude towards generative AI in some tech spaces is “of course it can’t do cognition and it isn’t really good for anything, who said it was” which is of course rich from the exact same posters who were breathlessly advertising for the tech as revolutionary both online and at work as recently as a couple of weeks ago (and a lot of them still hedge it with “but it might be useful in the near future”). the comfort is it feels like that attitude comes from deep embarrassment, like how the orange site started claiming it is and always was skeptical of crypto once the technology got irrevocably associated with scams and gambling and a lot of the easy money left

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I was watching a h0ffman stream the other day when someone happened to bring up autoplag in some context. didn't see the asking context, but h0ffman's answer warmed my heart. paraphrased: "what would you want to use that for? you wouldn't steal a mod, why would you want to use a prompt? that stole from artists. fuck that shit."

(h0ffman's one of the names in the demoscene, often plays sets at compos, does some of his own demos, etc)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

yeah, there's a stench of desperation from the defenders

of course, as with crypto, there are uses (in the case of crypto , nothing legitimate). And it will be going to be a fallback for fondlers to point them out (for example, I believe that auto-generated audiobooks are viable, if they're generated from actual books)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

neil turkewitz coming in with a wry comment about AI's legal issues:

And, because this is becoming so common, another sidenote from me:

With the large-scale art theft that gen-AI has become thoroughly known for, how the AI slop it generates has frequently directly competed with its original work (Exhibit A), the solid legal case for treating the AI industry's Biblical-scale theft as copyright infringement and the bevvy of lawsuits that can and will end in legal bloodbaths, I fully expect this bubble will end up strengthening copyright law a fair bit, as artists and megacorps alike endeavor to prevent something like this ever happening again.

Precisely how, I'm not sure, but to take a shot in the dark I suspect that fair use is probably gonna take a pounding.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

To my mind, the cover of "researchers" using the public internet to seed products commercialized by OpenAI and friends is the biggest betrayal of fair use in recent memory. The big companies cynically exploited the research exception to fair use and possibly destroyed in the future.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Hey ChatGPT, write a novel titled OpenAI Gets Pounded In the Ass by Pterodactly Lawyers, in the style of Chuck Tingle.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

PC Gamer put out a pro-AI piece recently - unsurprisingly, Twitter tore it apart pretty publicly:

I could only find one positive response in the replies, and that one is getting torn to shreds as well:

I did also find a quote-tweet calling the current AI bubble an "anti-art period of time", which has been doing pretty damn well:


Against my better judgment, I'm whipping out another sidenote:

With the general flood of AI slop on the Internet (a slop-nami as I've taken to calling it), and the quasi-realistic style most of it takes, I expect we're gonna see photorealistic art/visuals take a major decline in popularity/cultural cachet, with an attendant boom in abstract/surreal/stylised visuals

On the popularity front, any artist producing something photorealistic will struggle to avoid blending in with the slop-nami, whilst more overtly stylised pieces stand out all the more starkly.

On the "cultural cachet" front, I can see photorealistic visuals becoming seen as a form of "techno-kitsch" - a form of "anti-art" which suggests a lack of artistic vision/direction on its creators' part, if not a total lack of artistic merit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Why is it always bioshock girl 😭

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

In other news, an AI booster got publicly humilitated after prompting complete garbage and mistaking it for 8-bit animation:

prompt ratio

And now, another sidenote, because I really like them apparently:

This is gut instinct like my previous sidenote, but I suspect that this AI bubble will cause the tech industry (if not tech as a whole) to be viewed as fundamentally hostile to artists and fundamentally lacking in art skills/creativity, if not outright hostile to artists and incapable of making (or even understanding) art.

Beyond the slop-nami flooding the Internet with soulless shit whose creation was directly because of tech companies like OpenAI, its also given us shit like:

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This response from her. Lol. Lmao.

can you and all your anti-ai bots just block me? we get it, you hate ai art

What a misunderstood wee lil smol bean, waah

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

anti-ai bots

there’s nothing I hate more than when people who hate chatbots flood me with chatbots

e: please stop sending soldiers from your anti-war militia to fight me

actually that sounds like a metal gear plot point I’d overexplain while intoxicated

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly I would love to hear someone try to explain the Metal Gear story while drunk.

...No no no you see the Patriots are actually the AI reconstitutions of Plasma Snake's old boy scout troop from the like the 80s, Shadow Moses, and they really liked (hic) Gundam and then...

...But see, they actually didn't even like all the wars and stuff even though they were making all kinds of money and explosions, so Raiden - oh and he's a robot now but it's cool he gets a dog - has to figure out what's going on but then it's all "The good old days after 9/11" ha ha ha...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"games explained badly, the podcast" sounds like it has phenomenal potential for pissing off just about the entire gamersphere

I'm down

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I'm so down for this I might unbury my good microphone

"and then Dick Cheney appears and that's the final boss and he beats your ass. no, not a character based off of Dick Cheney..."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This is gut instinct like my previous sidenote, but I suspect that this AI bubble will cause the tech industry (if not tech as a whole) to be viewed as fundamentally hostile to artists and fundamentally lacking in art skills/creativity, if not outright hostile to artists and incapable of making (or even understanding) art.

As a programmer who likes to see himself more adjacent to artists (and not only because I only draw stuff — badly — and write stuff — terribly — as a hobby, but also because I hold the belief that creating something with code can be seen as artistic too) this whole attitude which has been plaguing the tech industry for — let's be real here — the last 15 years at least but probably much longer makes me irrationally angry. Even the parts of the industry where creativity and artistry should play a larger role, like game dev, have been completely fucked over by this idea that everything is about efficiency and productivity. You wanna be successful? You need to be productive all the time, 24/7, and now there's tools that help you with that, and these tools are now fucking AI-powered! Because everything is a tool for out lord and savior productivity.

(I really should get to this toxic productivity write-up I've been meaning to do for a year now,)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

(I really should get to this toxic productivity write-up I’ve been meaning to do for a year now,)

Go for it, Mii - I'd be happy to read it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Even in the still image that dog's legs look like a first draft Minecraft centipede.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Just ignore the inconsistent theming, blurry cars, people phasing in and out of existence, nonsense traffic signals, unnatural leaf rustling, the car driving on the wrong(?) side of the road and about to plow into a tree, the weirdly oversized tree, the tree missing a trunk, the nonsense traffic paint, the shoddy textures, and the fact that the scene is entirely derivative and no one feels any joy from watching it.

Phew

If you ignore all that it could be the end of animators!!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Why the fuck is there a gigantic 1000-year-old oak blocking the entire pavement. Also why is that one in autumn colors.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I was focusing more on the fact Justine failed to recognise Minimax had failed at its only job (giving her...whatever that anim is...instead of something actually 8-bit), but yeah all that sucks too

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Oh look! Human horrors ~~beyond~~ regrettably within my comprehension

https://x.com/haveibeenpwned/status/1843780415175438817

Tweet descriptionNew sensitive breach: "AI girlfriend" site Muah[.]ai had 1.9M email addresses breached last month. Data included AI prompts describing desired images, many sexual in nature and many describing child exploitation. 24% were already in @haveibeenpwned . More: https://404media.co/hacked-ai-girlfriend-data-shows-prompts-describing-child-sexual-abuse-2/

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