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One of the most common questions we get is whether or not we should "hide our power level" when it comes to our political positions. In this video, we look at the words and practice of Karl Marx, Fred Hampton, Vladimir Lenin, Fidel Castro, and Harvey Milk to tackle the question: should we hide our true positions as we build our movement?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Two closely related points on this -

  • When your messaging is limited, I think there's a lot to be said for emphasising a position over a label. "SUPPORT COMMUNISM (plus let's make life better)" has a very different vibe to "LET'S MAKE LIFE BETTER (Communism can help)".

  • Secondly, relatedly, there's a compromise between 'hiding it' and 'blaring it without context'. If you just say "I'm a communist" and then leave, people will ascribe whatever they want to you and you've probably done your credibility a disservice in the public's eye. If you contextualise that with some relevant position or two, then it becomes a lot more obvious and helps normalise the term.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Workers of All Countries, Unite!

-- last paragraph of the Communist Manifesto

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims.

What part of this means you have to say "communism", your views and aims are probably not saying a word so if your politics have a chance to be popular but your political identity does not maybe focus on the former. Notice how anti-immigration fascists don't say they're fascists nor that they're doing fascism when they're doing stuff that's popular like deporting migrants.

We're not in 1848. "Never ever be subversive" has never been an objective principle of communist strategy, nor recognized as universally good political tactics, if it's worth doing you do it.

In most people's imagination "Communism" is a thing that already happened and mostly ended, whatever changes the world is going to be called something else even if it retains the same views and aims.

I think you just did the thing where one provides a quote and lazily confuses principles with strategy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Yes 100% if possible if your starting something new you should not come out swinging with complicated positions/theories/political identities that people don't understand nor have the power to achieve when in the immediate term all you're really going to be doing is trying to revive unions.

Look at recent insurgent political parties in europe that achieved at one point significan results, both left and right, a lot of them do say the "neither left nor rigbt" thing, even when its obvious which it is, they also have non-ideological names look

Reform, Podemos(we can), Chega (enough), 5 stars movement, that new greek party, hell even macron's "republic en marche" etc

So all I can say is corbyn should name his new party Solidarity or Revival or some anodyne shit like that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Corbyn might have a harder time saying this, but in his new party I’d use “neither left nor right”.

At this point in time, we need to be hiding our power levels.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

5* movement isn't recent at all really, they were eclipsed by the fascist party years ago

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

And at one point they were in first place so my point remains, and now they're explicitly left-wing (idk how that happened), also I consider anything that had it significant results since the left-populist moment in the early 2010s recent.

And the fascist party you mentioned could also be an example of part of what I'm saying , they're not "neither left nor right" but "Brothers of Italy" is a lot more attractive than "Fascist party of italy".

I could add to this melenchon's "Insubmissive France" which is explicit about its political identity but namewise is a lot more anodyne than "Socialist party splinter group with a bunch of agglomerated trots party".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Crazy to think this guy and badmouse both started as ancaps and then noncompete went on to become a very thoughtful and intelligent leftist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Isn't badmouse the smug "if gommunism good, then why liberate Ukrainians in Poland with Marathon-Ribbedcock pact?" How is that anything but anticommunist revisionist propaganda?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

No matter whatever political position he takes, badmouse will always do it in the most smug, pretentious way possible. Even his ML videos were annoyingly condescending.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

I thank Luna Oi for this

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

The common true answer to these kinds of thoughts is always, "it depends". Wanting simple and fast rules helps to frame questions, discussions, and solutions, but you would be incorrect to just say yes or no.

If a cop is harassing you, do you just call yourself a communist because you reject "hiding your power level"? Won't that just pointlessly make them go after you harder? Will any observers understand or care what it means for the cop to arbitrarily detain and arrest you after sharing this fact?

If you are tabling and are cagey about your associations, won't they, correctly, distrust you? Aren't you missing out on opportunities to spread consciousness and recruit?

This is actually a propaganda question, and for propaganda just about your very first thought should be about identifying your intended audience(s), what you want them to think or do after your interaction with them, and what threats might exist and how you will mitigate them. That should determine how open you are about communism. For example, if you are in the US at a party and calk yourself a communist to a stranger, they will probably not even understand what you mean by that. You will fail to communicate if you rely on this alone. You'd need to explain it shortly in a way that speaks to things familiar to them, like working a job and imperialism. If you lead with "communist" they may end up leaving before your explanation. Better to explain first and label later. On the other hand if you're giving a speech for a communist party.

Overall I think it is best to explain yourself as best you can to be understood when it comes to non-enemies. Sometimes that looks like hiding your power level and sometimes it doesn't.