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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Strange semi related old person story -- back in highschool, one of our teachers had the class write essays on whether nationalism was good or bad. We were then given an option to either present our papers, or do a debate exercise with a kind of round robin pro or con. So you'd partner with 1 other person, debate if it was good or bad, then groups of 4 doing the same, until it was the whole class. In my paper and in my discussions, I had used a similar approach as this comic -- basically just establishing what nationalism was vs patriotism, and drawing nazi's in as an example too. No one in those discussions contested that Nazi's were nationalists -- but they still argued in favour of it.

By the end, I was the only person who thought nationalism was overall 'bad'. The tide had turned in the groups of 8 stage. Because a hot girl had declared her support for nationalism. That's all it took for people to like/excuse nazis, even back in the early 2000s. An excuse.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Both are shit. It seems like american culture in general is just lesser-evilism.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Existed just 4 years

Lost a war againt the USA

Prouldy waved 150 years later

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

But muh heritage...

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And the brainwashing goes on and on..

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

The word "Republican" ~~actually comes from~~ is used today as a decolonial form of Nationalist movement, and they are usually Socialists. Elsewhere in the world, "Republican" still means something actually useful for human goddamn dignity. Since nobody sold out the premise like an American Colonizer party.

You gonna tell an Irish Nationalist that they can't celebrate or defend their people even as "Unionist" Pogroms ravage Catholic parts of Northern Ireland?

You gonna tell an Indigenous Nationalist that their people can't have the land granted to them by treaties or stand for their people's sovereign water supply?

You gonna tell a Jewish Nationalist that they can't be Anti-Zionist, and build their idea of the Jewish Nation and its Diasporic people on standing up against oppression?

These illiterate, domesticated-ass liberals still think "nation = country = state", like this is 2nd grade. The closest they get to reading is a twitter post, my essaying protects me from their eyes. And they want to talk about what Nationalism is.

Meanwhile Patriotism? Is bipartisan. And it is Stan-ing for a State even as it commits a Genocide. Fuck all of that, and fuck your state. May Trump's incompetence burn the US's ability to inflict violence upon the rest of the world.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

he word “Republican” actually comes from a decolonial form of Nationalist movement, and they are always the Left party. Elsewhere in the world, “Republican” still means something actually useful for human goddamn dignity. Since nobody sold out the premise.

It has nothing to do with that at all. They are called Republicans for historical reasons, but the name has long since lost all relevance to any specific policies, it is just a name for a ~~sports~~ political team. Other political parties in other places are called Republicans for other localised reasons.

Republic stems from the Roman res publica, but in modern political science it just means a state where the office of head of state isn't hereditary, ie. basically not a monarchy. This was a key factor in the 18th century, since most European (and globally as well) states were monarchies, so being a republic did mean a drastic change in political system compared to the norm. Not so much anymore, since most states in the world are republics, but they have very drastically different political systems, some are dictatorships others democracies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Yeah, thanks for the correction. Modern Republicanism has a nice Wikipedia page that was worth a perusal.

The former British Colonies tend to use the word "Republican" in a specifically Anti-British-Monarchy way as that Nation sought independence. This does not apply to the US party.

Beginning as Socialist Parties is also a notable trend, though not entirely universal among this category. In this, the US party fits the trend well - but has abandoned that principle. Now they want a damn king too. Its disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The word "republic" comes from res publica. Public thing.

Indeed, the meaning has been fully distorted, like anything else in the US, and sold to people with no moral, voted by people with no moral.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yeah, fair point.

The original use? Is not how any single Republican Party I can find actually started. Instead it explicitly Anti-Monarchist, even Socialist Decolonialism for former British Colonies. Even the US party began along these lines - but ya know, the whole selling out thing.

Tell an Irish Republican you voted for Trump. I dare you.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If your whole identity is based on the fact you where born at some location on this planet, you really need some self reflection and deprogramming

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

I was within these borders while I crawled out of a vagina. it's one of my greatest achievements and I'll base my personality on that

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is bullshit.

Even if the technical definition of "patriotism" is all of these good things, it doesn't matter because everyone thinks it means all of those bad things.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, people try to push this patrotism = good, nationalism = bad thing, but it is meaningless, because patriotism has long since become what Reinhart Koselleck would call a "Grundbegriffe", basically a universal term which everybody has accepted is good, but which everybody interprets and uses in a variety of different (and clashing) interpretations. It is a term you use to invoke that you are on the right side, regardless of what side you are on, because it just means "good".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Additionally, overt patriotism is usually nationalism.

Looking at this meme in the first panel, pride in who you are eventually becomes pride in who you aren't if you feel it strongly enough.

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