It's a real shame John McCain isn't here to lose the war he fought so hard to engineer.
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I can't see the Democrats considering another unpopular war right now. Trump might, but I can only imagine what craziness that would look like. There's a non-zero chance he would ignore Israel and move assets to the Gulf states because they gargled his balls just right, or something. Or maybe he decides to do nukes.
If Netanyahu can get an open war between Israel and Iran before Jan 20th then Biden will absolutely commit ground forces to fighting that. Which is going to mean counter insurgency or even frontline work in Iraq again.
My god, would he? Even if that meant tanking the election? (If it's in the lame duck period after Nov. 5 that seems less crazy, I guess)
He would.
Despite everything he has publicly stated he has continued to offer Israel support. His administration quietly greenlit the attacks and invasion of Lebanon.
As long as our own military is not directly involved as the conflict expands I believe the election prospects will be fine but it still pains me to see this happening.
Yes.
Time and again he has repeated their propaganda, even when our own intelligence agencies said Israel was lying. He always talks about a ceasefire, but every time Netanyahu moves the goalposts at the last minute, (usually by adding Hamas' known deal breaker that IDF troops would remain afterwards), Biden blames Hamas. Biden and Blinken have ignored evidence of war crimes from their own agencies that disqualify Israel for military aid. Now he's surged troops into the region, and he isn't using them to evacuate the 6,000 Americans who have asked for help leaving Lebanon.
Where does it stop? We think it has to just based on rationality but we made that mistake with Bush. We thought that a clear trial of the facts in Congress would either give him the moral authority to conduct the war or shut it all down and he just ignored that part of the AUMF. Like Biden has just ignored any evidence against Israel, even regarding the ICC. So I ask again, where does this train stop? What evidence do we have that he's working to restrain Netanyahu and prevent a wider war being kicked off by the obvious belligerent?
It's pretty clear he's not willing to actually punish them for anything. Sending ordinary American troops into a ground war for them is another thing entirely, though. Nobody's forgotten how the last ones went, and American democracy is already teetering on the brink.
Hamas’ known deal breaker that IDF troops would remain afterwards
And, y'know, that's not a ceasefire. Just thought I'd point that out.
It sure can be. It's one way to make sure it leads to a real peace process instead of Hamas giving up the remaining hostages and then getting nothing but a couple days of no fighting.
And yeah, that's why I'm worried. I'm not sure Biden realizes there's a line there. He's sure not doing anything to keep from approaching that line.
It's all about the $$$$$$
Remember when everyone was praising Bolton for going against Trump? This is why you don't simp too hard for people who have already shown who they are but happen to do one good thing.
Next: Liz Cheney.
John Bolton, famous war enjoyer
That should be Bolton's epitaph. It's still wild to think he was one of the sanest voices in the Trump administration, especially when he was one of the craziest in the Bush administration.
I hope he burns in hell right next to Kissinger and Reagan.
A simple translation is that war is good for their business.
When are they not?
I love how the article refers to Bolton as "famous war enjoyer". I hope that catches on.
And still Trump supporters tell me that Trump is the anti-war candidate and the Democrats always start wars. I guess they will blame the war with Iran on Biden, even though Trump pulled out of the Iran deal, antagonized the Palestinians, and did his best to start a war by assassinating generals. Let's not forget Bolton's "I'll celebrate with you in Tehran" speech.
Trump is shit, but Biden’s hands are not even close to clean in this situation. He has done everything he could to allow the situation to escalate and the war is starting in earnest on his watch.
Let’s all be honest here and recognize when our team is doing the wrong thing also.
Is it possible that the Democrats' hands are tied because the American public supports Israel and AIPAC has successfully primaried several progressive politicians?
I think they're in a tough spot politically, the left seems to think that support for Israel will cost the Democrats elections, but there's more evidence that if they do NOT support Israel strongly enough, it will cost them elections.
Right, because D-Day and Vietnam showed clearly that USA politicians never act against what the popular opinion dictates
You're probably correct in that it is a balancing act with no real winners.
It's too bad so few seem to be able to see the nuances.
I'd support every war if the first wave in was these old Republican fucks. Let Bolton storm the beaches.
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