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because when it is done against white people, fear mongering works better in western countries. also lobbies
I beg to differ. Channel 4 News is one of the media outlets that is more critical of Israel then any other media I know of while still beeing focused on facts. I can only recommend it though if you are prepared to see dead bodies and utterly despaired people who just lost family members.
"Erm akshurally, did those civilians condemn Hummus" ☝️🤓
Because the entire western world seemingly has to tip toe around Israel and let them get away with whatever they want because of some collective shame and empathy Europe and America still feel for something that happened before most people in Israel today were ever born...
The holocaust was bad...yeah. But the fact that that tragedy somehow gives the state of Israel an unlimited pass in perpetuity to be assholes is just wrong.
Replace the Israeli flag on top with an American flag and t this is more accurate. Americans moralizing about invasions and unjust wars lol
This morning I could hardly find a headline to confirm Israel invaded Lebanon. Everything was about how scary Iran is.
What the fucking fuckery fuck media? How is Iran's response to Israel's invasion more important than Israel invading? I shouldn't have to dig for 20 minutes to confirm something like that.
I saw plenty of headlines about the invasion of Lebanon. It just happened first, so the newer headlines would be about the thing that just happened
No invasion from any media I saw.
Just an incursion
Read better media. And it's not like the BBC is particularly progressive on this.
These things happened hours apart. And many of the stubs behind the Iran headlines made no mention of why they would fire missiles at Israel. After today I won't be surprised when we start getting people in here who think Iran fired for no reason and Israel hasn't invaded Lebanon. It was an absolute failure of news media.
I'm not defending the media by any stretch, just that both events got some coverage.
Yeah I'm just mad because they know the timing matters. They know the words they use matter. We've heard them talk about this exact kind of failing in the Iraq war and covering Trump. And now we're right back there again, breathlessly repeating the administration and their ally. Calling it a "limited ground operation". They know that first impression matters and there's a whole group of people who now think Israel got rocketed for terrorist hunting.
It's called moving the goalposts. You called out their Bs claim, so they just threw out another one.
Anyone can go and listen to npr up first. The title for yesterday includes "Israel escalates in Lebanon" and then today they point to Israel vowing repercussions for Iran. In the podcast itself, they talk about how this was almost certainly retaliation for the killing for the Hezbollah leader.
This whole idea that the whole of western media is ignoring what Israel is typical of the false Bs pushed by the op.
So it's an "escalation" and retaliation for something else entirely.
You realize this fits the exact outline I've laid out? Anything to avoid pointing out Israel has invaded the sovereign territory of another country.
And no. I haven't moved any goalposts.
You realize this fits the exact outline I’ve laid out?
Your main claims were the all of the headlines "about how scary Iran is" (the fact that it was a headline about Israel escalating and Israel vowing repercussions) and "many of the stubs behind the Iran headlines made no mention of why they would fire missiles at Israel" (and the short story in NPR was about why they were retaliating). It directly contradicts it, using one of the most popular and prominent US news organizations.
And no. I haven’t moved any goalposts.
Your original argument was that there were no headlines, which the other poster challenged. . .you then went not to say that the stories didn't give information about why they retaliated. It's absolutely a clear case of moving the goal posts.
Attempting to gaslighting me won't work, sorry. We've had too many interactions before for me not to be on the lookout for disingenuous positions.
It's not gaslighting, it's two people talking about the news environment they experienced yesterday morning. You're the one trying to make it awkward and accusing people of operating in bad faith. I know what I saw and you're not going to bully me into having seen what you say was there.
You made two major claims, in defense of the meme: all the headlines are about how scary Iran is (I demonstrated this to be incorrect), and that none of the brief stories explained why Iran retaliated (I demonstrated this to be incorrect). Your response should have been "wow, I guess I was wrong" instead of what it was (effectively) "the proof you just provided that obviously prove my claims incorrect actually is exactly what I said." This is straight up gaslighting.
Hey, how dare you oppose my blatant false pretense with facts that are verifiable!
-Ozma before he downvoted you
Sounds like something an antisemite would say! Why do you hate jews instead of the barbarian brown people, antisemite?
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Small corrections: Iran launched missiles from their home soil; those weren't airstrikes. Unfortunately Israel's air force is unparalleled in the Middle East.
Israel and Iran going for a real war, would make the currently bad situation even worse. However it does come with the advantage that both countries might get rid of their shitty leaders.
I don't think that's true. Because Biden won't be able to resist. We'll have US troops on the ground and he'll still be saying Hamas is blocking the peace process.
Israel and Iran going for a real war, would make the currently bad situation even worse.
For who? It'll create more bad situations, but the currently bad situation in Palestine will get better, if anything. I know everyone is afraid of an all out war in the Middle East but in the long term it's one possible way to collapse the status quo and make way for a more sustainable future for the region. War is bad, but it's not worse than a warmonger getting to steamroll everyone else and Israel needs to regain the fear of God (and their neighbors) before there's ever a chance for peace. Egypt and Syria proved it in opposite directions in 1973.
Edit: A weaker Iran would also help countries like Lebanon and Iran gain some real independence (and turn the tide against Assad); they're definitely not sinless here.
There are anti war protests in Israel against Netanyahu since Hamas attack on the October 7th. As soon as the fighting ends an new election will be called and Netanyahu is probably going to loose that one. That would mean a more moderate government for Israel and the chance for a deal with the PLO. However a war with Iran delays this and we know what is going on in Palestine right now.
A weaker Iran might help, but the way of getting rid of Iran as a problem is a revolution within Iran. I doubt a war against Israel would help with that.
Exactly, can’t have and lose a new election if the warring never ends.
There are anti war protests in Israel against Netanyahu since Hamas attack on the October 7th.
Yes, but not for the reasons you think. The overwhelming majority of Israelis have absolutely no issue with the violence being inflicted upon Palestinians (I can link a source). The right wing keeps growing in Israel, and was even before the war. The protests are happening because even as a genocidal fascist Netanyahu is failing in the Israeli goal of destroying Hamas's ability to wage war (surprise surprise) and bringing the hostages home (more surprise). The government that comes after this won't have Likud, but it'll still be a far right one. Settlements will keep getting built, we'll still have people like "I consider my life's mission to be preventing the creation of a Palestinian state" Smotrich, Gazans will still be forced to live in an open air concentration camp, etc etc. A deal with the PLO is fucking impossible, both because Israel won't get a more moderate government and because the PLO is dead. Mahmoud Abbas is a corrupt Israeli puppet and everyone knows it; even Biden admits the PLO will need to be reformed before they can be trusted to run anything.
TL;DR: Even after the next election, don't expect any good faith peace action from Israel. It won't happen; we've seen this movie before.
A weaker Iran might help, but the way of getting rid of Iran as a problem is a revolution within Iran. I doubt a war against Israel would help with that.
I mean if they're weakened by the war they won't be able to give as much Hezbollah and Syria weapons. That has to count for something.
Are they able to delay elections based on the status of their military engagements? That’s seems like a big problem with their democracy…
No elections are scheduled to be held in October 2026, but the coaltion is very likely going to break as soon as the war ends.