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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imagine feeling the urge to back either side of this thousand-year conflict and also screaming about your moral superiority in doing so.

Stop supporting monsters.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Please provide references and evidence of conflict spanning back a thousand years. The conflict started after the Ottoman Empire collapsed and the region got divided up in a colonial experiment by the French and British.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Huh? The conflict is at least as old as 1834 (Ottoman empire fell in 1922) and they've been trading blows since well before that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What was occurring in 1834?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Secretarian religious violence in Israel with proto Israeli terrorists involved. Notably the order issued to murder any Muslim found in Hebron. Many families were removed and would never return with proto Israeli Jews taking "abandoned" property and refusing to relinquish it to this day.

It's a very very old territorial and secretarian conflict, trying to imply it's summer limited modern engagement lacks nuance and is at best myopic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Palestine was a territory of the Ottoman Empire at the time. Israel did not exist.

From what I can gather online there was a peasant revolt, but nothing sectarian about it. The Ottomans pillaged the villages during and after the revolt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The movement towards Israeli as a state is a direct result of the actions of 1834, that's specifically why I mentioned it.

Then you didn't read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The problem with this opinion is that it's not based on fact: the Zionist movement originated in Europe as a result of pogroms there, not in the Middle East.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The problem with that opinion is it's not ~~hard~~ based on fact, the families that fled often ended up in Europe. ~~Still~~Some of which were later displaced again by pograms in Europe.

It's literally in the history of Zionism written by avowed Zionists. You might as well argue with water about how wet it may or may not be.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Huh?

The families that fled the Romans?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Modern Zionism ie the Zionism of the Israeli government is not based on Roman pograms though I'm sure some could indeed trace back that far. That said even making your argument proves my point further.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So who did they flee to end up in Europe?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Jesus Christ, respond at glacial speeds without being too bothered about doing any research yourself including apparently looking up like 5 comments.

Ed:

You're a moron, you'd think you'd at least remember your own point.

https://lemmy.world/comment/12692360

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not the ottomans if that's the point you're trying to make.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Couldn't even bother to read the linked comment after all that time.

You're lazy or dumb or both, either way go away dumb dumb.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah yes. The ottomans that existed during the Roman empire are to blame.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You really should read the comment chain dude. My point is that there is in fact 1000 years of conflict about it which you just proved.

Fall of Rome being 476ad-ish and today being over a thousand years later.

Good job. It's ok to be dumb and loud, that said dumb, loud and lazy is a bit problematic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh yeah you're right. It was Hamas that blew up Herod's temple.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

believe it or not sometimes people do a little bit of hyperbole and exaggeration.

I would never do that, not in a million years. It's literally impossible.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not true. In my country they reported on all of it. I've been reading and watching along.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Same I think. Here in the UK the main two TV news channels (BBC and Sky) have extensively reported on deaths and suffering in Gaza, and now they are reporting on the situation in Lebanon

Of course there are also right-wing papers (Telegraph, Express) who give the impression that Israel is always good and everybody else is always bad, but they're just one segment of the overall media

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