Call ing out Vance’s disdain for trump, good
this post was submitted on 01 Oct 2024
122 points (96.9% liked)
politics
19047 readers
3989 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
First question is about the Middle East and Iran's attack on Israel. Walz is talking about how we need steady leadership for dealing with that, contrasting it with Trump.
Started a little stumbly, but already seems to be finding his footing.
Not a great start
Walz is stumbling early on a bit
He'll warm up
Of course once I said that he sounded better lol
here we go. hold onto your buts.
What about our ifs or ands?
LOL at Walz just out there on his own and ready and Vance like, "WTF? He's already out here?!"
Vance probably has marching orders to attack Harris at the cost of making himself look bad. The question is whether he passes on the chance to change his own narrative.
Vance doesn't matter. Walz needs to go after Trump and remind viewers how dangerous he is.
Remember that Walz by his own admission is "bad at debates" and that Vance is (an admittedly insane) Yale law school graduate. Walz has done few difficult interviews, almost every mainstream interview Vance has done has been difficult because he has to defend Trump. I just think it's important to have realistic expectations.
I'm honestly not sure what to expect, but I imagine Vance will seem like a more polished politician and debater. He is awkward and supports ugly things, but he doesn't seem to get goaded easily. If Walz can summon his "everydad" persona effectively to make it appear like there's a normal candidate and weird candidate up there and use his knack for a folksy phrase or comeback, that will probably be the "takeaway."
Due to the format, these debates have kind of turned into tiktok video farming events, so let's see who gets the most meme-able sound bytes. Let the games begin.
Also remember that Vance said he wasn’t going to prepare because he doesn’t need to. Just like trump said he didn’t prepare because he didn’t need to.
I’m pretty sure Walz has spent the past few weeks preparing, and he really just needs to be his normal, relatable self. Vance being himself will likely be a disaster.
The bar for Vance is super low. All he has to do is avoid a donut shop incident.
I'm not convinced he will. He's not a human.
Yeah exactly. I just hope they didn't try to stuff Walz full of memorized lines and facts. He seems to do a little better when he can riff a little. But you're right, Vance basically just has to trip over the low bar and throw their supporters some red meat.
7 minutes
It’s pathetic that these important events have become channel exclusives sponsored by ads.
It's pretty freaking hilarious that Vance is already planning to be in the "spin room" after the debate.
Aren't they both planning on it? That's what NBC just said.
I didn't catch that. Are you sure?
No it was just an aside, but they were touring the spin room and said the candidates and their surrogates would be in the room after the debate.
Seriously? lol. Way to lose the debate before it’s begun.
I really hope Walz hammers Vance on women’s rights and LGBTQ issues. Just make that the focus of the whole thing, because those are the issues that will win in the margins of historically nonvoters. I really hope this campaign can finally understand why many voters are disenfranchised, and start finally enfranchising them.
Vast swathes of voters are unaffiliated because nobody cares about them. I know the dem candidates are capable of caring, but they need to show it.
Dude on CBS pre-game saying he hopes Walz will focus on the border because that’s the main issue non voters need to hear, like what? That’s nearly all people hear. You’re getting paid to say this? Wtf.
Does anyone know how to watch MSNBC’s coverage of this (i prefer their commentators) without having any subscriptions?
Looks like they have a link through the live coverage page?
TBH, I'm not 100% sure. I get live TV through streaming.
Thanks so much! I wasn’t able to find a good online feed, and it’s even worse since I’m old and watch these things on my Xbox, so entering URLs is worse than trying to input software codes.
Your link worked, thank you!
e: I’m seeing the pre-game coverage there, so 🤞
e2: I may have been premature. That link shows me a couple of minutes of video before I have to refresh and watch 60 seconds of ads to see another 2 minutes of asynchronous (not live) video.
I’ll post a link if I can find an actual live feed, but unfortunately it seems MSNBC really doesn’t want me to watch it.
FYI, parody accounts are firing up, don't get suckered:
Jack Kimble is a parody account.
https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1841151195198435344
California doesn't have a 54th district:
https://www.jackkimble.com/home
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_congressional_districts
Thanks for looking out, jordanlund!
Bingo cards here:
https://www.wired.com/story/bingo-how-to-watch-vp-walz-vance-debate/
If you get the square with "The Cathedral" and are wondering what THAT Is:
It's a term related to extremist blogger Curtis Yarvin, who's in the J.D. Vance/Peter Thiel orbit:
More on Yarvin here:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarvin-neoreaction-redpill-moldbug
That is 3 AM or 03:00 Central european time or Paris mean time.
https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/est-to-cet-converter
We bought Beer and snacks, looking forward to Walz walzing all over Vance. 🍺🍺😀
Will the fly be there to fact-check?
“We have well developed views on public policy so we don’t have to prepare that much,” Vance said in a Teamsters press call on Wednesday morning. “We feel a lot more confident and frankly, you don’t have to prepare if you don’t have to hide what you say.”
-Jd "we make stuff up" Vance
😂🤣😂🤣
Attacking Walz on his military record while Vance had a mostly clerical job, never saw combat, was of a lower rank and was in the military for 4 years compared to 24 years? Bold move...
Prediction: Vance will try the "Stolen Valor" line and get owned.
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/08/nx-s1-5068668/vance-walz-stolen-valor-military-record
I'll be asleep which I suppose I should be thankful for (I've already voted by mail as an overseas voter). I'm still disappointed about the whole fact-check thing.
The fact checking of the last debate really made it stand out. It felt like the debate served an actual purpose as opposed to just hearing what amounted to a mini rally for the candidates.
This is a huge disappointment to me, as now there is no need to defend any of their comments. It's basically just a campaign ad.
Associated Press - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for Associated Press:
MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: High - United States of America
Wikipedia about this source
CBS News - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for CBS News:
MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: High - United States of America
Wikipedia about this source
Media Bias Fact Check | bot supportSearch topics on Ground.News
https://apnews.com/article/cbs-debate-vice-president-fact-check-7a3b31c98ab092dd44915df57a359d10