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[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (12 children)

Am I the only one that is seeing this as a joke referencing Stalactites and Stalagmites? Like I also think that it fits as a good thought experiment, but is the joke so obvious that no one is stating it? Or is am I just reading something into it that's not there?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago

I’ve only read your comment so far, but I thought it was obvious enough to be surprised your comment was in top

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

You seem to be one of the few commenting so far.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I always liked the distinction (I forget who originated it) that science fiction is a story set in a world where the rules are defined by physics and fantasy is a story set in a world where the rules are defined by the author.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Star Wars is absolutely fantasy that happens to be set in space

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I don't know if you're brave or foolish, but either way, vaya con dios. The Star Wars fans are relentless.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I also think that the Last Jedi is one of the better Star Wars films, so I'm quite used to my Star Wars opinions being the subject of definitely very polite disagreement

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Enders Game instilled the importance of adjusting your frame of reference. What was up can become down.

So it’s science fiction but when you consider a collaborative global human response to existential danger it’s fantasy.

But the Shadow series shows how quickly we go back to weaponizing and using gifted war trained children as tools of conquest… so realism/horror?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Why does this analogy make sense to me for some reason?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because in the classical Jungian style of analysis, imagery of the basement of a childhood home was a revisiting of the past.

Likewise "up from the floor" indicates ancients coming up from caves, ancient monsters to be slain, underground dungeons. The primitive unchained and revisited.

...and using Freud's principle of the inversion; down from the ceiling is indicative of from the future.

Prometheanism, featuring stories of Science only taking us so far before we fall from the ceiling, or rather it chaotically falls on us.

The idea that a return to primative barbarism and violence can also come from above, from technology, from the future unknown, from advanced beings, complex plans, or outter space.

So whether it's up from the floor (ancient past) or down from the ceiling (unknown future) - it's coming for us, with risks and dangers we're not ready for...

...or so the stories go.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I, too, love stories of otter space.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago

Fantasy is almost alway low-tech, Sci-fi is almost always high-tech. As such, fantasy tech levels could be compared to starting low and going high, while sci-fi starts high and then goes low as it tries to explain the concepts it's introducing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I believe I am currently on those drugs! To me, this means that sci-fi is usually written starting from the universe and then focuses down to the individual, but fantasy is written from the individual up to the world. Sci-fi has more of a universe building focus and fantasy has more of a personal and character development focus.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Can I have some of those drugs please?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Star Trek says, “Eat me and my 58 years of series and films— Ad astra per aspera!”

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

But what if there's bats? Bats typically aren't on the floor!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

If it's on the ceiling, it's a Bat-Cite and if it's on the floor, it's a Bat-Mite.

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Pictured: Bat-Mite

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bats on the floor are obviously Rats, because the bottom of the B is obscured by the puddle they're standing on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Bats are just rats with wings

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And the one, floating in through the open window … how was that called again?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

The sideways uncanny; it's always with us, but only few will see.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Yes, I can live with that definition … Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah-nagl fhtagn. Thanks for the clarification.

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