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On Wednesday, Sanders introduced six resolutions blocking six sales of different weapons contained within the $20 billion weapons deal announced by the Biden administration in August. The sales include many of the types of weapons that Israel has used in its relentless campaign of extermination in Gaza over the past year.

“Sending more weapons is not only immoral, it is also illegal. The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 and the Arms Export Control Act lay out clear requirements for the use of American weaponry – Israel has egregiously violated those rules,” said Sanders. “There is a mountain of documentary evidence demonstrating that these weapons are being used in violation of U.S. and international law.”

This will be the first time in history that Congress has ever voted on legislation to block a weapons sale to Israel, as the Institute for Middle East Understanding Policy Project pointed out. This is despite the U.S. having sent Israel over $250 billion in military assistance in recent decades, according to analyst Stephen Semler, as Israel has carried out ethnic cleansings and massacres across Palestine and in Lebanon.

The resolutions are not likely to pass; even if they did pass the heavily pro-Israel Congress, they would likely be vetoed by President Joe Biden, who has been insistent on sending weapons to Israel with no strings attached.

However, Sanders’s move is in line with public opinion. Polls have consistently found that the majority of the public supports an end to Israel’s genocide; a poll by the Institute for Global Affairs released this week found, for instance, that a majority of Americans think the U.S. should stop supporting Israel or make support contingent on Israeli officials’ agreement to a ceasefire deal. This includes nearly 80 percent of Democrats.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The resolutions are not likely to pass; even if they did pass the heavily pro-Israel Congress, they would likely be vetoed by President Joe Biden, who has been insistent on sending weapons to Israel with no strings attached.

Yeah, this is an absolute shame. He tried doing something similar shortly after the genocide had started, but everyone else currently in power just shut him down almost unanimously.

If politics and getting into power wasn't 90% based on your wealth and connections, maybe US could have more people like Bernie trying to actually do good rather than trying to enrich or empower themselves.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

AIPAC buying American politicians to ensure support for the war continues. Pretty fucked that a foreign nation state can buy US policies like this. Honestly, I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often, and more brazenly - it is “legal” after all.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

America has the best politicians money can buy

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just imagine: we could’ve had this guy as president for the last 4-8 years…

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

File that one behind the what-if of a Gore Presidency. We keep missing the alternate timelines we should have taken. Here's hoping we don't screw up once again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Imagine a back-to-back two term each Gore then Bernie presidency. We'd be living in a utopia, and I'm not even American

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

We could be at the end of Bernie's second term right now if Hillary hadn't staged a hostile takeover of the DNC during the primary.

trump would have been nothing more than a dated joke from TV reruns, Covid would have been handled appropriately, pretty much everyone would be measurably better off.

Dont forget what the moderate branch stole from us, they're still the ones running shit. That's not just an expression, literally the same people from back then are still running the DNC and in the current administration, they're literally still the ones running shit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Part of the recipe for far right fascists to rise to power requires liberals’ “compromise.”

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No but vote blue no matter who amirite.

No possible way another lunatic will replace Trump by next election, he's just a one of a kind republican candidate totally nor representative of a systemic problem.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who do you think people here should vote for in November?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Harris - because Trump is a fucking disaster... that doesn't mean the DNC is beyond criticism though.

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[–] [email protected] 217 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

For those who don’t know (there are probably a few) Bernie is Jewish, and his opinions better reflect the rest of us Jews than the crazies on the right (and left) and in Israel. I don’t have stats, but every American Jew I’ve talked to about this has been morally outraged and frankly mortified by Israel’s actions. We understand how it looks to the rest of the world. Don’t let the antisemitism arguments (usually pushed by Christians btw) fool you. Bernie is on the right side of this issue, as usual.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

It’s the Christian zionists here in the US that support this genocide because they think it will help expedite the end of the world

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

This makes sense, because this isn’t an Israeli or Jewish endeavor. It’s Benjamin Netanyahu desperately provoking a war to maintain his grip on power, because as soon as he’s out of power he will have to be held accountable for his many crimes. Bibi would rather die in office than face that. It’s truly regrettable that his actions have soured the entire world’s opinion on Israel, but here we are.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

Zionism has been a thing before bibi

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The state of Israel in its inception was colonisation, apartheid, massacre, white supremacy, and genocide. Netanyahu is certainly a monster. But look at the rest of his cabinet. Listen to an interview with Israeli citizens even before October 7th in the way they speak about Palestinians and Arabs.

Israel is thoroughly and consistently sick from beginning to end, top to bottom. It’s a depraved machine of terror that runs on the blood of innocent people.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago

Netanyahu is to blame for making the situation worse, and for actively working against a ceasefire, but I think it’s important to point out that the majority of Israelis appear to support his actions in Gaza. It’s definitely an Israeli issue and a Netanyahu issue.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Fellow American Jew here. Very much agreed. Israel doesn't represent us, even if it tries to say it does.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Another American Jew chiming in. Israel has never represented me. I'm from Indiana. I have far more in common with a Palestinian-American from Tuscon, Arizona than I do any Jew in Haifa.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Texan Jew here. I'm surrounded by a sea of monsters.

I've made documentaries, art projects, and memorials for family members who were in the Holocaust. A few survived (literally, like, 3 of them), but multitudes more were killed. My family and community has praised me for my passionate interest and attempts to teach younger generations the dangers of complacency and compartmentalizing. One of my relatives even helped pass a law adding Holocaust Remembrance Week as part of the curriculum for every grade level in Texas.

We've seen this kind of destruction before, we've lived this oppression and violence before. We have discussed how our family might have changed had over 90% of them not been killed.

HOW THE FUCK IS MY FAMILY AND COMMUNITY OKAY WITH ANOTHER GENOCIDE???

The self-delusion, what-abouts, stereotypes, and straight-up racist insults.

"They'd kill us if given the opportunity"
YOU'RE ALREADY KILLING THEM

"These are really bad, violent people"
THEY ARE CHILDREN AND CIVILIANS AND THEY ARE DYING

"It's not comparable to the Holocaust. Germany killed 6 million..."

THAT’S YOUR FUCKING CUTOFF???

WE GOTTA WAIT FOR 6 MILLION PEOPLE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN EMPATHIZE WITH VICTIMS OF GENOCIDE??? Where was this sense of calm and nonchalance when Nazis were posting propaganda around town? How many of your kids need to be dismembered and vaporized before you say "this is more than upsetting, this is WRONG"??!

I swear, I'm probably less than a month away from hearing someone I once respected say "the Palestinian cries out in pain as they hit you."

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

“It’s not comparable to the Holocaust. Germany killed 6 million…”

There are fewer than 6 million people in all of Palestine. If that's their cutoff, they can eradicate everyone and "it still wouldn't be as bad." That's probably their thought process.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Texan

Well there's your problem

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Omfg I feel you so hard on this with a few people, but am fortunate to not be in Texas.

"Never again," my ass. Those types of people mean only "never again for me and mine." Genocide is genocide is genocide, regardless of whether we're the victim or not.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Israel learned the wrong lesson from the Holocaust. They decided that the next time somebody gets stepped on, they're going to be the boot, not the bug.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

i sorta inferred this about american jews because doesn't israel give economic incentives to jewish people moving to israel? so the fact that you don't live in israel says something

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

Ever thus to ethno nationalism.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Bernie is always on top of these things, and you have to respect him for that.

Polls have consistently found that the majority of the public supports an end to Israel’s genocide; a poll by the Institute for Global Affairs released this week found, for instance, that a majority of Americans think the U.S. should stop supporting Israel or make support contingent on Israeli officials’ agreement to a ceasefire deal. This includes nearly 80 percent of Democrats.

Even though 80% of Democrats are for this kind of bill watch, the majority of Congress vote against it, including the Democrats.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

Good, force them to vote on it so we can see who supports genocide.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Goes to show Republicans (more so of course) and Democrats represent their donors more than the ppl who vote for them

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

We don’t even exist to them.

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