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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah, how would suing something that can't feel pain help you get it up...

Sure it's nice to hear and all but I wrote them off a long time ago and this does nothing to make up for terrible ethics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Would rather be normal and not dumb.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Good for them. I’d love to see ALL industries do this but that’s going to be impossible. We’d need greed eradicated before that happens.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The different direction;

No more original IP, and 99% of profits come from litigating against end users.

(It's the same direction as before, just not including AI yet)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

List of a few of Nintendo's new IPs from the last 15 or so years:

  • Arms
  • Good Job!
  • 1-2 Switch
  • Dillon
  • Splatoon
  • Snipperclips
  • Pushmo
  • Steel Diver
  • Fluidity
  • Nintendoland

Just because you aren't buying/playing them doesn't mean they aren't making them. Let's also not ignore the amount of time to develop a game has increased significantly or how gamers overwhelmingly choose to buy games from well-known IP. They are a company and need to pay their employees. I'm not a fan of Nintendo's litigation practices, but I'm also not a fan of how whiny and bitchy gamers have become. If they aren't whining and or bitching, they are harassing developers and actors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I mean, that direction is extremely lucrative, whereas AI is extremely expensive and totally unproven to be profitable.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Massive massive W for once

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Nintendo can't even do games on a technical standard higher than 2012, how should they use AI? And their hardware is way to weak as well BTW.

They're just lucky that the current AI Models are crap, otherwise this would be the next standard they're missing in their "more of the same since 1980" games.

They should use more energy and money for developing innovative games than suing every fart on the planet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They’re just lucky that the current AI Models are crap, otherwise this would be the next standard they’re missing in their “more of the same since 1980” games.

So you are complaining they are not adopting something you admit is currently crap?!

I'm going to complain about billionaire taxes then, I mean I have no billions but I'll complain anyway

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, I'm saying, that Nintendo wouldnt benefit at all from AI, so why should they use it in the first place? And the reasons for that are:

-AI in it's current state can only support in certain areas -Nintendo's games aren't massive enough to profit from the things AI can do atm

An example: AI can do Text to Speech, but Nintendo doesn't make games like TES. Nintendo needs to optimise their games highly to run on a switch, which AI can't do.

He is just stating the obvious, like saying the sun is hot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

He is just stating the obvious, like saying the sun is hot.

But he could say they are engineering to catch up to the trend, right? the question is not if they are to implement AI features in their current 8 year old console. The question is if AI is in their development path in the future

And the answer is no, Nintendo does not seem to see value there. I for one agree, the stuff you mentioned about AI in other comments in the thread go from "meh" to "I actively do not want that in my games". This is just my opinion as a casual gamer but I see logic in Nintendo's stance here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'll never understand how these always get downvoted. I understand Nintendo people love their zelda and mario games, but their console is less powerful than most mobile phones. I bought disco elysium on the switch that i only have for my nephew. It has a lot of trouble running DISCO ELYSIUM!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Because even though everyone knows Nintendo's consoles are under powered, they still usually deliver a ton of gameplay fun.

In this particular case, very few people want more "AI" in their stuff... and as even OP admits, current "AI" is crap. So why would I want to pay extra $$$ for hardware that can run "AI" when my gaming experience is likely not going to improve one bit?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If you only judge games based on graphics, I understand your point of view.

But I think it can be argued that Nintendo's gameplay/design is pretty often up to date, if not ahead of it's time. And tbh to me that matters the most.

Ex: Mario Wonder, Odyssey, BOTW, TOTK, Metroid Dread, Animal Crossing, etc

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

How are they ahead of their time? AC is just grinding and grinding and grinding. Mario ist jumping jumping and jumping. They do good lvl design but that's it. No story, no characters, no innovative gameplay, nearly always just more of the same. Imagine Sony still releasing God of War games with gameplay like the PS2 and PS3 games, they would get hated into oblivion.

Everyone is free to like the games they want and I'm not saying that Nintendo games aren't fun, but they're overhyped. Nintendo is a lazy ass company, they innovate only when it is necessary. Without their IPs they would have already gone bankrupt or developer only. They had more than one crappy console, that nearly ruined the company (newest esample: Wii U). Another example are the Pokémon games, where is the innovation? It needs more than five types of garbage can Pokemon's to call it innovation. And instead of doing good games they keep suing other indie companies that are capable of making better games than Nintendo itself after developing that ip for over 2 decades.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

What about any of those are ahead of their time?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Putting the whole judging games based on graphics out there feels dishonest. I personally don't give a rip how games look on the switch or can at the very least get over it pretty quick as long as they aren't plgsued with performance issues . We shouldn't be in a spot where playing modern console games on emulator is often a better experience than the real thing.

The switch architecture is very dated and the only ones who really know their way around to hack things together and make it kinda work is Nintendo. Still amazed that TOTK is playable on Switch with everything going on, but for a third-party dev to do the same would probably take an insane amount of effort. Its not worth it. Just update the standard and everyone will benefit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I play on Switch and Pc, different games on each. The attraction to games on the switch for me isn’t graphics or power or performance… at all…

It’s gameplay and form factor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I totally get your point and agree with it. I still play on my Vita, GB and PSP to this day.

What I'm criticising here is Nintendo as a company and the article itself. Is obvious that they don't want AI because they can't handle it and they don't need it. AI atm can replace artists and actors but Nintendo games have nearly nothing to synchronise and the models for the games aren't that difficult to make. So why should Nintendo care for AI anyway? Just take a look at Google and the other companies spending billions every year just to train their AIs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

AI atm can replace artists and actors

Another things no consumer wants

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nintendo n....

Wait they did a good thing? huh, that's... new

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good thing happens:

Lemmy: Yeah but lawsuits am I right?

Can't you people be happy for one goddamn second?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago

They want AI to get to a point where they can sue it.

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