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STOCKHOLM, Sept 25 (Reuters) - Vienna-based advocacy group NOYB on Wednesday said it has filed a complaint with the Austrian data protection authority against Mozilla accusing the Firefox browser maker of tracking user behaviour on websites without consent.

NOYB (None Of Your Business), the digital rights group founded by privacy activist Max Schrems, said Mozilla has enabled a so-called “privacy preserving attribution” feature that turned the browser into a tracking tool for websites without directly telling its users.

Mozilla had defended the feature, saying it wanted to help websites understand how their ads perform without collecting data about individual people. By offering what it called a non-invasive alternative to cross-site tracking, it hoped to significantly reduce collecting individual information.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago

It isn't about indvidual privacy. It's about not further empowering the wealthy and the entities that serve them. I'm disappointed with Mozilla, but this seems to have become par for the course

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Hmm, interesting. I would expect NOYB to not just file complaints for no reason, but my understanding of PPA is that things get aggregated, which would make it irrelevant for the GDPR. Either I'm missunderstanding something, or NOYB or Mozilla is...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

User-unique gets collected, and then the user-unique data sent to a remote server.

Only on the remote server will this data be aggregated, or so Mozilla says.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

100% agree, anonymized data is pretty much irrelevant to the GDPR. An exception would be if it can be de-anonymized with reasonable means.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I see these comments are nothing but good discussion!

[–] [email protected] 116 points 8 months ago (13 children)

All the naysayers in these comments read like shills and if they aren't, they really should read how the tracking in question works. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution?as=u&utm_source=inproduct

While it was kinda lame for Mozilla to add it with it already opted-in the way they did, they were still completely open about how it works from the start with a link right next to the feature in settings (the same link pasted above) and it's far less invasive than the other mainstream browsers.

It can be turned off too, easily. It requires unchecking a checkbox. No jumping through 10 different menus trying to figure out how to turn it off, like a certain other browser does with its monstrous tracking and data collection machine.

With ublock origin it's also moot, since ublock origin blocks all the ads anyways.

Call me a fanboy if you want, I wont care. Firefox is still the superior browser in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Nah. Turning that feature on by default already set in stone for me their willingness to test the waters. If you don't think auto-enabling anti-privacy features is a problem I don't know what to tell you. It may be "small" right now, but just wait and see what else they will try to sneak in.

Use Librewolf and Mull instead.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I think a big part of the problem is that they didn't show anyone a notification or an onboarding dialog or whatever about this feature, when it got introduced.

Firefox is still the superior browser in my opinion.

or the least bad, as I have been thinking about it lately

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think a big part of the problem is that they didn't show anyone a notification or an onboarding dialog or whatever about this feature, when it got introduced.

Right. Not only didn't they notify anybody, but they took to Reddit to defend the decision not to notify anybody:

we consider modal consent dialogs to be a user-hostile distraction from better defaults, and do not believe such an experience would have been an improvement here.

Which is strange, because Mozilla has no problem with popups in general.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

is this something I need to do every single update?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The answer will always from now on be 'yes', for every annoying privacy invading toggle you have to change, it is in the best interest of the software creators to force you to do it in the way that benefits them most.

Our opinions are no longer as important as their ability to harvest our data.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Our opinions are no longer as important as their ability to harvest our data.

Either you control your hardware and software OR some parasite does.

Your choice folks

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Ok I'll just go grab some sand and refine it into silicon then bake my own chips then code my own kernel and OS and applications because that's the only way to 'control' it.

Companies need to be held to regulatory standards about our private data, and the ONLY reason those regulations don't exist is because every FUCKDAMN politician in the world was born before TV had color

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

It's mainly because of "perks."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I don't disagree but bro... We both know dsddy Sam ain't saving Z slaves... This here country got elites with slaver mentality

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is how you get Temple OS

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

No, schizophrenia is how you get Temple OS

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Mad dude made great OS due to paranoia...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

No it was a shitty OS with very VERY little hardware support,

and he built it because the voices in his head told him to build a temple and he was too lazy to be a carpenter.

Have you actually installed it? Because I have. It's BARELY an OS

The 'security' mumbo jumbo is mainly to cover his networking incompetence

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

God damn my man... Hot take after hot take today haha

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Please stop taking the dark path, firefox...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There are no ethical companies, only ones that are currently more profitable to operate as if they were.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

And they rely on our good will...

Use the forks folks

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