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Everyone knows that electric vehicles are supposed to be better for the planet than gas cars. That's the driving reason behind a global effort to transition toward batteries.

But what about the harms caused by mining for battery minerals? And coal-fired power plants for the electricity to charge the cars? And battery waste? Is it really true that EVs are better?

The answer is yes. But Americans are growing less convinced.

The net benefits of EVs have been frequently fact-checked, including by NPR. "No technology is perfect, but the electric vehicles are going to offer a significant benefit as compared to the internal combustion engine vehicles," Jessika Trancik, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told NPR this spring.

It's important to ask these questions about EVs' hidden costs, Trancik says. But they have been answered "exhaustively"


her word


and a widerange of organizations have confirmed that EVs still beat gas.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Propaganda works.

There should be penalties for spreading such lies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

IMO, I still think there's not enough infrastructure to support charging EVs. Don't get me wrong I've seen some. Just... Not a lot. Until charging is as prevalent as gas its just not worth it. Or if you have a house I guess.

In some areas I hear it's good. But in my area there's only 1 set of charging stations at a Wawa that I know of. And that Wawa is an hour drive away. Plus I'm at a rental complex that mows the lawns regularly and having a cable run from my house to the car is not allowed.

My current gas operated vehicle has about 160000 miles on it. I'm hopeful that my vehicle will last a long time. And then when my vehicle dies, I'll look at the infrastructure again and see if it's beneficial for me to switch to an EV. I'm going to continue to wait until it's beneficial for me to buy a new car.

We'll see how it goes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, gas stations don't really want electric because it would cut into their main source of revenue so I think I may have spotted the bottleneck.

The only way charging stations will become prevalent is if municipalities start setting them up. Either that or grocery stores. Though Answers with Joe made an interesting case for Buccees adopting charging stations as a method of generating revenue through increased tourism at their locations.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Gas stations actually make almost all of their money on things other than gas that people buy while they are at the gas station. It's true that people wouldn't come to existing gas stations nearly as much if they weren't buying gas but they could make as much or more from users charging.

The real problem from their perspective is how infrequently users may need such especially if they charge at home and the cost of charging infra which is always in addition to gas not instead of

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The only valid criticisms of EV's are:

  1. They're harder to extinguish than a gas car if they end up catching on fire.

  2. They don't really solve any of the major issues with car based infrastructure.

  3. Tesla is a shit show because of that damn muskrat which pushes a lot of people away from EV's in general.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They don't steal a lot of data too? Or this privacy nightmare affected gas car too?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

It's an issue in newer cars in general.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They are heavier and accelerate faster than an equivalent ICE vehicle on the same frame, and so result in more pedestrian fatalities.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

They are heavier and accelerate faster than an equivalent ICE vehicle on the same frame, and so result in more pedestrian fatalities.

That's not why.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I lump that in with part of the major problems of car based infrastructure but that's still fair to point out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

All else being equal

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They’re harder to extinguish than a gas car if they end up catching on fire.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62188058/tesla-semi-crash-fire-required-50000-gallons-of-water-and-fire-fighting-aircraft/

Yeah that is gonna be a bigger problem than most people imagined.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

My firefighter neighbour told me that the procedure now is just to let them burn, like they do with gasoline fires. They make sure it doesn't spread, but they won't try to extinguish it because it'd take 10-12 hours and thousands of gallons. By just letting it burn they're done in an hour with a few hundred gallons.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

To be fair, no consumer vehicles have 900 kWh batteries haha.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because the conservative machine, despite the love of Elon's right-wing antics, never stop talking about how bad EVs are. Funny, the only time they act like they care about the environment is when they talk about how bad the EV batteries are to manufacture. While they roll coal and drive gas-guzzling mall cruiser bro-dozers all over the place.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Give him a few years into a potential Trump victory, and he will make Tesla to manufacture petrol cars.

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