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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Well, you can... you know.... fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Why is Agent 47 trying to recruit us for war

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Before anyone goes running off to find out Tommy Boy is still true, you should know you can get PTSD from behind a screen. It's not fun and games, no matter what the recruiter says.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Has this been studied? I'd be very curious to see how much the risk is diminished.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's the thing it's not diminished. The brain doesn't see it as any different than directing fire through binoculars.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do we know that though? I'm genuinely just curious because it seems to me like it would be at least somewhat diminished.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

We know that. Trauma is an interesting thing. There are many ways to get traumatized. And all trauma can cause PTSD. So an Infantryman could see a dead body but never actually get into a fight and end up with PTSD. It can happen on the first body, or the 100th. Drone Operators are prone to something called moral injury. Basically they get a form a trauma from seeing the results of their work.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Past 30 years: VIDEO GAMES ARE THE DEVIL!

Now: DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Ender’s Game?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

They see what’s happening in Ukraine where a <$100 drone can kill an enemy soldier. The KDR for their drone aces are insane.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unless I'm going to use a robot to kill other robots, I'm not getting Ender's Game'd.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago
  • Enders' Gamed'
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

stating that, out of one million applicants over the last ten years, three in four gave up due to red tape and an application process that can take months to complete.

They should bring back that thing where you get drunk and find a shilling in your pocket and papers that you’re now property of the Royal Navy. It only slightly contributed to several major wars.

/s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

“To honor we call you not press you like slaves”

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not directly related to what he's saying, but PeopleMakeGames just released an episode about the current state of war gaming and it's dual, seemingly conflicting function as fun games for individuals, and as a repopularized tool of actual war for modern governments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYaDXZ2MI-k

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Interesting video but it seemed a bit one-sided. There is so much generality that it seems like he’s trying to paint most games that include any sort of soldiers and warfare as recruitment paths completely hand waving huge swaths of games and communities that focus on milsim for its complex tactics and strategies.

I realize that’s what you’re pointing out in your comment here, that it’s not all under one umbrella but I watched that entire vid waiting for him to add actual context instead of correlating any attempt at realistic simulation as an attempt to build a vehicle that paints real life war as if it were a video game. He specifically says this in the video, about how modern day games try to paint real war as if it were just like a video game when in reality the chasing of simulating reality as accurately as possible to increase the complexity and difficulty to create harder challenges is essentially the exact opposite. Maintaining a gun and ammo is one thing, but what about managing hunger, hydration, bleeding, etc.

There is a bias in his position, you can see it when he mentions how playing a game that puts you in a gunship made him sick. This theme persists throughout the examples given for modern games with war/fighting. The framing here somewhat places these games in a sort of taboo, and thus those that play them.

I too have bias of course, but we aren’t being trained as monsters either. My friend and I play a lot of milsim games because to us it feels like the ultimate challenge, but neither of us have any interest in joining a military or even hurting anybody. Warfare is a part of life on earth, it’s not all a mil psyop.

Lastly, propaganda is everywhere and it always has been, this idea of promoting the image of The Soldier and a Just Fight is as old as time itself, I don’t know why in that video the framing is such that the modern era is so far divorced and more insidious feels out of sync with history

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I thought about the same video!

I highly recommend watching it (and other videos by them) even if it's fairly long.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Orphan crushing machine seeking orphans to crush.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

right out of that movie Toys.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You all heard the man. Get off your asses and your lives of leisure to go fight and die for some random oil company!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

have you heard of the British empire? They are the OG America.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

It's all come round full circle 😄

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not just any oil company! British Petroleum!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

.... Spiffing Brit? 🤨

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Don't forget the weapon manufacturers, they need a slice of the action as well!