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How come LED Light Bulbs only last for about 2-3 Years?

I've bought and replaced a lot of light bulbs, and I noticed that all of them said "up to 20,000 hours" which would be about 5 years given 12 hours of daily use (which we definitely don't).

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah the drivers are shit on cheap products and heat can wear them out easily. I find that LED bulbs "burn out" by just being super dim rather than physically snapping like incandescent filaments. I have these 96 cent cheapass LED bulbs that I have no expectation of lasting long, and I have other 6 dollar dimmable bulbs that I hope I will last longer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

My experience has been that they last for more years than I tend to notice which ones are which. I'm not mad at all about their longevity.

I had 2 LED bulbs that I know for sure that I bought prior to 2015 that only recently failed. Those bulbs lasted at least 9-10 years. The rest of my bulbs I haven't kept up with but those 2 older ones looked very distinctive with aluminum heatsink material for their bottom halves.

[–] [email protected] 120 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I have a dozen that run 12+ hours a day. I've had 1 fail in 5 years.

Don't buy cheap LEDs, and don't put them in enclosures that trap heat.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Typically it's not the emitters -- the LED's themselves -- that fail. If driven correctly, those have lifetimes of tens of thousands of hours. That's what the manufacturer is advertising on the box. Yes, an individual LED when driven correctly will probably last 20,000 hours. (Usually more, depending on how pedantic you want to get. The 20,000 hour figure often quoted is the point where the emitter drops to 80% of its original light output.)

LED "bulbs," the type that replace filament bulbs in consumer fixtures, typically fail in their driver hardware. LED's run off of low voltage DC and in the base of all of those LED conversion bulbs is a power conversion assembly that steps down and rectifies 120v/240c AC to whatever DC voltage the LED array in there expects. These are inevitably made out of whatever the cheapest passives and semiconductor components the manufacturer thinks they can get away with. These don't last 20,000 hours, especially not in where they're usually installed.

The main killer for all semiconductor electronics, which includes both LED's themselves and their driver circuitry, is heat. This is often exacerbated by the fact that LED replacement modules are usually stuck in enclosed light fixtures designed for filament bulbs that have insufficient ventilation to get rid of the waste heat from the components in an LED module. The insides of those enclosed ceiling light fixtures, the ubiquitous "boob light," gets hot, even with only LED modules installed. Filament bulbs don't care because they don't have any electronics in them and how they work is literally by getting so hot the glow. But LED modules in that kind of environment will invariably suffer an early failure.

The best way you can get your LED modules to last longer is to install them in a fixture where they'll have a lot of air circulation available or at the very least which is not fully enclosed.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

What would you recommend?

Philips.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Are you sure you have the same set up for voltage and resistance? If you don't you'll pass more current and burn out faster. Similar to a laptop marketing saying 14hrs, but that's only if you leave it on low power, airplane mode, and don't do anything useful. I'm curious to see if someone comments the real answer.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The bulbs themselves are amazing. There are good ones in cars and computers, the flash of phones etc.

The failure point is typically the electronic components that run or regulate it. And of course most companies want to sell more bulbs so they conveniently skimp on that stuff. So maybe the answer is a more expensive bulb that hopefully will last long enough to justify the extra cost?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

What would you recommend that actually last long enough to justify the extra cost?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Make sure to choose lamp fittings that don't trap the heat.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

If you can get a hold of Dubai Led bulbs, they are supposed to last extremely long

https://hackaday.com/2021/01/17/leds-from-dubai-the-royal-lights-you-cant-buy/

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Generally because you're buying cheaper ones that aren't built as well. Heat destroys LEDs and the cheap bulbs generally use fewer individual LEDs running at higher power to produce a given output in lumens. More expensive bulbs use more LEDs at lower power to achieve the same light output so that they're not constantly being overdriven and last much longer.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

I have dozens of Philips Hue bulbs 6-10 years old and I honestly don't think one of them has died. I'm sure they have lost some luminance over time, but they still get the job done no problem. I rarely run them at 100% anyway.

But yeah I have also had some cheaper LED bulbs die within a few years.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Just fyi for anyone who would care about this: while hue bulbs are built well they are moving towards a model that requires you to put them on “the cloud”, even though they were sold for years and years without that requirement. The update will be mandatory whether you want it or not as part of Philips security being integrated into the app. It’s unclear what will happen if you don’t create an account and sign in at that point

So if you’re like me and put all your iot shit on an isolated vlan without internet access they may not be the best option for you. Or if you just don’t want to support a company that wildly changes the tos years after purchasing their (expensive) product. I don’t want my home shit on the internet, I don’t trust Philips to put enough cash or effort into securing their servers, etc.

The bulbs do work with zigbee though and that seems to be a viable alternative to using their hub/app although I haven’t tested it fully. This also means if you’re using them via HomeKit you’ll need some kind of bridge like home assistant

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Can confirm

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

Lighting a campfire

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