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I wanted to get printer photo paper for my printer, a Canon. I went to Walmart, They had nothing. Went to Target, they had one pack of photo paper and it was crazy expensive, so I went to micro center. That one was just as expensive. So finally I went back to Amazon, which I was trying to avoid, and saw the price 25 to 40% lower than anywhere I had been. Literally everything that I was looking for, I could find within seconds. Not even Best buy has even close to the amount of inventory or variety, even when you're shopping online....

Therefore, I think Amazon has a literal monopoly in the tech industry right now, you're literally forced to buy from them, because unless you have the money and financial fortitude to protest with your wallet, you're going to be buying from them. There's no other choice. They have so aggressively and dominantly taken over the supply chain market that no other tech company can currently compete with them in any aspect at all. You will be paying 40 to 50% more on everything by cutting out Amazon, and no one has the money for that anymore unless you're upper middle class or above

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It sounds like you went to several physical stores and when their stock on hand was not sufficient you concluded your only option was Amazon. What about the rest of the internet?

I’ve been deeply hooked on Amazon for a long time and trying to wean myself off of it for a variety of reasons. The most helpful thing in this, I’ve found, is Apple Pay.

I happen to use an iPhone and Apple Pay is easy. It is increasingly accepted everywhere, making any online store a one-click purchase. Maybe for you it would be PayPal or Google Pay but whatever your preference is, these payment services have come a long way.

For years I was stuck on Amazon because of the convenience. I am not ashamed - convenience is a real benefit when life is busy. And I had everything set up on Amazon, and they had most things available in their search.

But Google Shopping also has almost everything in the world available and most or all the retailers there accept Apple Pay. So now I just do that. It works just as easily.

You can even search on Amazon and then take note of the name of the seller and search the internet for them and then buy direct. Most have websites because Amazon fees eat into their profits. They would rather sell direct. And easy payment services plus ecommerce platforms like Shopify and Square make it easier than ever.

Amazon is becoming a cesspool of Chinese scams these days. I am tempted to say that I still prefer Amazon because the returns are easy but the fact is that I have HAD to return a lot of things to Amazon because they were not what I thought I was buying or they were just absolute shit quality or arrived broken.

So the point remains: you have alternatives. Use them. If you want physical stores, that’s another matter entirely and I agree those are getting fewer and worse. But Amazon doesn’t always beat them on price. You should check every time and you might be surprised. I was in my local CVS and I saw they had the exact LED bulbs I needed to buy but I thought they’d be too expensive there so I checked Amazon on the spot. CVS beat them by a couple of dollars. So check every time!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

You really think that in 2024 - a time when not even school children are expected to print out reports because everything is submitted digitally - the fact that photo printer paper not being ubiquitous reflects literally anything other than we've mostly moved past paper as a society?

I'm not saying reddit is better - it clearly is not - but ask yourselves why Lemmy is so absolutely shit at applying Occam's Razor to their own biases?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Amazon is a place where you have to deal with fake items and getting fraudulent returns shipped to you as new. Your reward for this is maybe a 5% discount.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Brick and mortar will always be more expensive and there are always cheaper options than Target. I used to love Fry's but they are no more.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

It depends on the product, but brick and mortar is superior to Amazon in some cases now. It's mostly just things that are easy to ship that Amazon is cheap for.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So the way it’s ruining those markets is by making more goods available at lower prices?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I think it’s worth noting that this is the effect of the free market behaving as designed, however no one has risen up to challenge Amazon enough along the way. So many retailers ignored e-commerce in the early days and went on with business as usual. Fast forward 20 years and Amazon has eaten into their market shares. A large retailer like WalMart absolutely has the ability to challenge Amazon by investing in the user experience and warehousing/delivery infrastructure. But often the old heads at these companies ignore improving the user experience in favor of making cuts. Amazon didn’t happen overnight. It’s been a steady growth in their business model over decades and the user experience is key to what made them so popular. It takes seconds to find what you want, for often times cheaper than the competition and in many cases the shipping is lower and faster.

What would be difficult is for a start up company with little capital to try and take on these behemoths. Perhaps a coalition of large companies like Target, Best Buy, B&N, Kohl’s, etc. grouping together to create a large distribution network and app platform with a good user experience could compete.

Just a thought.

AWS is a whole other can of worms.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

It's about how they do it. They achieve this not only by being incredibly efficient through exploiting thier employees, but also by systematically destroying competition, and using thier marketplace to unfairly favor thier own products.

It's techno-feudalism, here's a great presentation/interview about it:

https://youtu.be/X3FdIyNMaFY?feature=shared

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

There are other online shops besides Amazon. I find an alternative for almost everything that I order and it's not more expensive. And finding the right product inside Amazon is so exhausting nowadays that it's not more work to compare different web shops.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

It's hard to compete when you're basically a warehouse and your market is the literal population of the internet.

Yeah, microcenter, even if it's the only computer/electronics store for 100 miles, can still only hold so much, and they only reach people in/around their city at most. It's not like people are crossing state lines to get to a computer store.... Unless you live on the border of your state, I suppose.

Amazon has, at the very least, dozens of warehouses across the country that can deliver whatever it is you want with remarkable efficiency because postal/parcel services have been systematically improving over the past 50+ years.

I'm not saying I'm a fan of Amazon, but bluntly, is it really surprising, in the slightest, that Amazon can out price everyone else?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I’m surprised there’s so few mentions of AWS in this thread. It’s a huge profit centre for the company and a large portion of the internet is now running off of it. AWS is basically the internet’s landlord now, and the profits generated from being the most popular cloud service provider globally are probably why they can afford to invest so heavily into their logistics infrastructure and retail that people are more familiar with.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AWS generates more than 50% of Amazon's profit. Their retail side is peanuts, by comparison.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The retail side of their operations serves as basically a really big customer of AWS services.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

The retail side is also just a huge ad for Amazon as a company. It's what everyday consumers know even if it doesn't provide a huge amount of profit. It creates name recognition.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

I went to a conference this weekend, and it slowly dawned on me how every single one of the vendors was selling their app hosted on AWS. That's all it is. Just different flavors of AWS.

Even if you dont interact with AWS directly, every business needs business services - you can bet that no matter what you're buying or who you're buying it from, some of your money is going directly to AWS marketplace.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not to mention a lot of eggs in one basket. They've built in a lot more redundancies now yeah, but all it takes is a hit to AWS and a shitload of the internet is just DOA. Yeah you can argue about protections and data centers or whatever, but still. It's one big nest in control of one company, no matter how well they guard it, it's still a risk, technical, ethical, or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

One shit update is all it takes, just ask CrowdStrike and Microsoft

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It would help if you went to the right stores first. Try Office Max, Staples, Office Depot, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Hell even Costco probably has photo paper

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The only things I buy off Amazon are the niche items from stores that only exist in the top largest cities in the USA. It’s difficult to find fountain pen stuff elsewhere, and most of the stores have a front on Amazon.

I don’t know why people buy everyday stuff on Amazon. It’s usually more expensive and you have to wait for it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

My old roommate bought a single roll of aluminum foil from amazon one time and I still think about it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Check Amazon’s Antitrust Paradox by Lina Khan (FTC). A very detailed review of how Amazon is a monopoly and how they dodge antitrust legislation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

That article has basically been validated over time. At the time it was written, the argument was that monopoly is bad for consumers even if it makes prices cheaper, and that consolidation of producer market power needs to be understood as consumer harm in itself, even if prices or services paradoxically become better for consumers.

It's no longer a paradox today, though. Amazon has raised prices and reduced the quality of service by a considerable margin, and uses its market power to prevent the competition from undercutting them, rather than competing fairly on the merits.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My last post being unclear. Amazon has about as much a strangle hold on the tech sector as Walmart has on retail. They don't. You get the product you paid for. AWS is no different.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But the Walmart difference are brands and reduced quality in brand names. There are weird brands on Amazon but I'm not aware of any quality reductions when paying for known brands.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Amazon has so many false brands and knock off shit it’s ridiculous. Hardly any of it works yet it has a 4.8 review. It’s like Temuat this point for so much of it.

Walmart might have their “Walmart specials”, but I don’t have to worry about their stuff catching fire of giving me lead poisoning.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

If you stick to brand you recognize on Amazon, this isn't an issue. I'm not defending Amazon I'm just saying these points aren't as valid as they sound.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I recently wanted to get a pre-workout, I looked it up on Amazon and then I went to the company site to just order directly from there. It was like $10 cheaper on Amazon because of free shipping and subscribe & save.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

It's because Amazon requires the seller not undercut its Amazon store through other outlets, including their own website. If you are a seller and you want to take advantage of Amazon Prime, then you have to make sure your Amazon price is the cheapest price available on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You were looking for office supplies: did you check an office supply store?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Definitely would have been my first choice to look also, but do you think that staples or office max is going to have something cheaper than amazon?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It depends on the paper based on some quick searching, but I can pickup the paper from staples faster than Amazon will deliver it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

This would be a great point if we were discussing how fast you can get the item and not the cost of the item.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'm thinking op isn't the brightest tool on the short bus. Walmart has a far better market place/e-commerce platform than shitass Amazon. Same delivery windows of 1-3 says. Can order groceries that aren't fuckin wierd marketplace seller with a garage packed with dented pallets of Nutella, wild rice and 5hr energy drinks lol. The groceries actually come from the store or the next nearest one. They basically already had the warehouse infrastructure. The dumped billions with a fuckin B last year just on developing and expanding on drone deliveries. Plus when your order gets fucked up from Walmart... YOU TALK TO A FUCKIN PERSON WHO ISNT HALF WAY ACCROSS THE PLANET WITH 3 PRELOADED REPLIES TO FIX EVERY PROBLEM. Fuuuuuuuuuck Amazon customer service. But also unless op was looking for the holy grail of printers I will bet my annual salary that Walmart's online store had the exact printer they were looking for or one that is an exact copy but another brand. So dramatic to write this whole post up for such a dumb reason lol.

Edit: Also no person or brand selling on Amazon is exclusively selling on Amazon. If the printer wasn't available anywhere it's prolly a discontinued model or a fuck up by the mfg. Such a dumb post.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

So you are arguing its a duopoly?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

How did Walmart become the good guy in all this shit? What the ever living fuck is going on with capitalism?

I gave up on Amazon a while ago except for very niche things, and Walmart if great. Orde groceries, they tell me to come get them, dude loads them up in my car and tells me have a good day. It’s amazing. No extra charge, nothing. Don’t have to deal with any of the people of Walmart.

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