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GenAI tools ‘could not exist’ if firms are made to pay copyright::undefined

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Slaves "could not exist" if firms are made to pay wages.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

writing software that does things for us is the only purpose of computers. LLMs are far from "true" AI but still they are useful for a bunch of tasks.

ban their use in creative works, of course nobody wants to read a book written by an AI. but let me have a LLM to use as a tool.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'd be fine with this argument if these generative tools were only being used by non-profits. But they aren't.

So I think there has to be some compromise here. Some type of licensing fee should be paid by these generative AI tools.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Huh. You'd think in a situation where copyright is threatened by a lack of AI regulation, Disney would be all over this. Oh wait. They're trying to use generative AI to make movies cheaper. Nevermind.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not that I am a fan of the current implementation of copyright in the US, but I know if I was planning on building my business around something that couldn’t exist without violating copyright I would surely thought of that fairly early on.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should check out this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF, and this one by Katherine Klosek, the director of information policy and federal relations at the Association of Research Libraries.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The LCA principles also make the careful and critical distinction between input to train an LLM, and output—which could potentially be infringing if it is substantially similar to an original expressive work.

from your second link. I don't often see this brought up in discussions. The problem of models trained on copyrighted info is definitely different than what you do with that model/output from it. If you're making money from infringing, the fair use arguments are historically less successful. I have less of an issue with the general training of a model vs. commercial infringing use.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're responsible for infringing works, whether you used Photoshop, copy & paste, or a generative model.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with that statement. I'm having trouble seeing how that fits with what I said, though. Can you elaborate?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't really, I was just kind of restating what you quoted. Since no one factor of fair use is more important than the others, and it is possible to have a fair use defense even if you do not meet all the criteria of fair use, do you have data to back up your claims about moneymaking infringement?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

"My profits from fencing your wallet could not exist if stealing your wallet were punished."

"Ah, you're right, how silly of me, carry on."

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

and how exactly will the untold millions and millions of rights holders be identified?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a win to me

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