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Weaponizing ordinary devices violates international law, United Nations rights chief says (apnews.com)

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (19 children)

In one sense this is much worse, and more terrifying than the run-of-the-mill IED's used by militant groups. Having to be suspicious of everything around you would be maddening. It's indiscriminate mass psychological warfare, where the collateral damage goes way beyond the people actually carrying the devices.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

OK, I’m gonna tell a little story that we used to tell in my part of the country. In my part of the country they grow a lot of watermelons.

So there was this watermelon farmer who got upset that everybody kept sneaking into his fields at night and taking watermelons.

So he came up with his great idea that he put a sign at the edge of the field that said one of these watermelons is poison. Now he knew that no one could take a watermelon cause they wouldn’t know which one was poisoned. He was quite proud of this idea.

So we came back in the morning to see how his sign worked. And sure enough no watermelons have been taken overnight.

However, he noticed the number one on his sign had been crossed out and somebody had put two.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

However, he noticed the number one on his sign had been crossed out and somebody had put two.

That is both genius and a total Bond villain origin story.

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[+] [email protected] -73 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Yeah right...

Ukraine using publicly available camera Drones to drop grenades on russian invaders?

Bravo Ukraine! Very creative self-defending!!

Mossad putting explosives in items terrorists ordered to specifically to coordinate their terrorrism?

Booh! Not allowed, bad Israel!!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You do know that Israel is not fighting against an invading force, right? That might be a slight difference when it comes to morality.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Oh goody, more genocide apologist scum to block!

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think they're talking about buying something normal and turning it into a weapon. But buying something normal and getting a weapon instead.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And also, the drone allows you to pick your target.

You don’t know who’s holding or near the walkie talkie.

I’m not for or against it, I don’t feel qualified to make a judgement, but I can see the differences.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Exactly. If your drone shows children and you still Boom, you've chosen to commit a war crime. But with this plus the indiscriminate bombing of humanitarian centers in Gaza, it's all war crimes all day every day. The numbers of dead children are exponentially higher than the numbers of dead Hamas, and once the critically injured innocents in Lebanon die the same may be true for Hezbollah.

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[+] [email protected] -53 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I don’t get this. It’s war, there isn’t much law. You can have agreements between countries, but is it really law if it’s not enforceable?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's plenty of law of war.

But you're right, laws are worth northing if they're not followed or enforced.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Well, that’s up to debate.

In war there are still rules of engagement and expectations about things like “child soldiers” and “civilian casualties” and “collective punishments” etc….

But also, how much to those rules actually stop people?

Which rules are worth breaking if they prevent open war and millions of deaths?

No idea. Some deep philosophising and rationalisations around all of it is required regardless of your stance

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

There is international law and there are international war crimes. This could very well be a war crime. It needs to be investigated.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It’s enforceable. A war between two countries does not exist in a vacuum. The whole rest of the world can impose sanctions against the violator.

Whether they will in this case is another matter entirely.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Problem with sanctions is they haven't proved Israel did this. Its plausible deniability

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Part of plausible deniability is that it has to be plausible. There has been no plausible argument presented that Israel did not do the pager and walkie talkie attack. For that matter, there hasn't even been a denial about it.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago

We're talking double secret probation. Super cereal shit man.

Constantly wringing my hands at the lack of adults in leadership. Accountability ends atrocity.

[–] [email protected] 222 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Do something about it, then.

[–] [email protected] 150 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Oh man this letter is going to be worded so sternly!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

~~Respectfully~~ submitted,

United Nations

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

I bet they're gonna BLAST them! In a literary sense

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago

"This letter is so VIBRANT with EXTREME ANGER that it will explode... but only metaphorically."

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What is the UN human rights chief supposed to do about it?

He did all that was in his power:

Volker Türk told an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council there must be an independent and transparent investigation of the two attacks in Lebanon on Tuesday and Wednesday where these devices exploded, reportedly killing 37 people and injuring more than 3,400 others.

[+] [email protected] -34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

They could all say they are going to disband if Israel doesn't stop. Why even have the UN if they can't do anything

Or better yet expel isreal

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

First of all, that's also not in his power.

Secondly, how would disbanding the part of the UN that investigates human rights abuses help Palestinians?

Edit: Wait, you think the entire UN should be disbanded over this?

The UN is the only reason we haven't had a nuclear war yet. Otherwise, countries wouldn't have a neutral world forum.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They are...

They've had arrest warrants out for a while, but they do t have their own police force to enforce it

It relies on member states arresting them when they enter their country. It why Bibi hasn't been going anywhere besides America. Biden is one of the few leaders willing to side with Israel over the UN

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