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Basically, wanted to know where people are at with mask wearing (as it relates to containing covid and all), I know it's been a while since it started. And I've seen people who say covid can still be threatening, like through long covid and such, even if the initial impact doesn't tend to be as bad. Being in the US, it's especially hard to tell what makes sense because the gov sorta gave up on containment a while back and only ever half-assed pushing mask wearing. And wearing a mask alone was a controversial thing in some places, even in the very beginning. Then there's vaccines, which of course help, but seems to be a thing like the flu where you have to get boosters to be fully covered for variant strains.

So in general, I'm wondering stuff like:

  1. Do you still wear a mask or not and why? And do you have distinctions like large crowds or anything like that?

  2. How does mask wearing compare by country, from what you know? For example, I'm sure China has a more pro-mask-wearing culture and policy overall, but I'm not clear on where they're at this late into it.

Partly asking cause I want to re-assess my own position on it, see if it makes sense to change it at all by now. I've still been doing it, in part out of inertia, but the US management of it is such a mess, in gov and culture, it's hard to tell when it makes sense to stop vs. just caving to peer pressure of people who were never acting responsibly to begin with.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I stopped masking basically the day I was no longer required to. I mask in hospitals/doctor's offices (even though that's no longer required in my area) and when dealing with the elderly (which is rarely). I mask when I visit my elderly mother if I've been feeling sick recently. I don't mask at work, and I don't mask at political events unless they require a mask (the only people who do are Anarchists who mostly only do it because they're paranoid about "opsec", because god forbid someone be able to tie together your name, face, and political beliefs - something that doing yourself, loudly and proudly, I believe is a prerequisite to considering yourself a Communist).

I work in a grocery store. I'm currently sitting in the cafe waiting for my shift to start. Practically nobody is wearing a mask. The only people who do are (1). the Chinese workers in the sushi department and (2). a few transfeminine co-workers who I imagine are not primarily wearing masks for the health benefits but due to face dysphoria. Maybe once a week I see an elderly person masking or a transfeminine customer, but that's about it.

I agree with the other commenters - masking while practically no one around you is is functionally worthless and more of an act of virtue signaling than anything else. Someone elsewhere in the thread brought up the Chinese Long March and the dedication necessary for that. That comparison would be apt if masking was widespread, but masking while no one else is is about as useful as trekking through the Tibetan plateau alone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Never stopped masking in clinics. In the last few months I am back to masking in crowded environments. Always wear KN-95 or equivalent quality mask. I don't live in a high density or high population area.

Wore a mask to the theatre last night, and within ten minutes the stranger next to me started coughing and continued to do so throughout the film.

As far as I know, I have never gotten covid and I plan to keep it that way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago
  1. I do whenever I can, in my work I can't, because it's socially so frowned upon here. I try to work alone/remote as much as I can becaude of this and bought and aur purifier for my office, I have high risk loved ones, have longcovid and so does people closest to me. I'd rather mask everywhere, did not miss the smells of other peoples sweat at all.

  2. In my country (Finland) masking was negatively framed from day one. Also it was strongly hinted that they don't work, there's nothing we can do and the frail will fall regardless.

There have been no masks used here for most of the time I masked everywhere, the mask wearing only happened for the delta wave, but when the vaccinations began, they disappeared. "Expert" opinion has been very anti-mask and covid has been "just a cold" that only kills old people all along.

This whole thing has been my single biggest eye-opener to the fucked up fascist values I have actually grown up surrounded by. It has also made me understand that covid and covid protection is 100% a working class issue and a matter of class consciousness. It's the workers like me who don't get protected that die from it or get longcovid. Also lots of eugenist brainworms in my country.

This is a country where unironically one popular saying is "there's still room behind the sauna" and this is supposedly a joke about how the undesirables used to be shot behind a sauna in our fash past and gets thrown around whenever someone for example does something dumb. We are the baddies actually and covid made me see this in its entirety, because the society I live in is behaving like monsters without even realizing it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I mask every day; I will stop masking and taking precautions the moment the pandemic is over. I will not risk disability or death for myself or anybody in my life for the acceptance of those who deny science or for the mild convenience of not putting on a mask

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

you have to get boosters to be fully covered for variant strains.

Speaking of boosters, friendly reminder that at least in the US, 2024 updated Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been out for a few weeks. If you haven't already, look into getting your updated booster soon :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Any way to get it with no insurance without paying out the ass?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I want to preface what im about to say by saying i do wear a mask, and think everyone should.

I think that the focus on masking was a misdirect similar to how the powerful will push personal responsibility about the climate to combat systemic issues. While yes masking is effective and important it means we are relying on the lowest common denominator of dumbasses to do the right thing. Which never works out well.

I think that a much better solution would be to have buildings like stores where large crowds gather indoors with air filtration systems, and UV overhead sanitation lighting. Especially at entrances and exits. Its been proven such measures make a big difference. You could easily incorporate UV lighting into normal light fixtures and effectively sanitize every surface in a building constantly. Air filtration is already in most buildings AC systems and could be retrofitted to filter for viral bodies. Most people would not even notice these things happening. People should still be encouraged to mask especially when they are sick, but solutions that do not rely on an individual doing the proper thing are much more reliable.

The reason they don't get pushed is that they cost money, and companies and governments do not want to do them. But when Biden was going to campaign events they brought portable air filters to keep the air in the buildings he was in clean so they are clearly aware of these solutions.

Also in this same vein vaccines during the height of covid were made free for those without insurance but i do not think that is the case anymore. Vaccination combined with those other solutions even without proper masking would massively reduce spread, and the fact it hasnt been done is simply a systemic issue.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Every time I want to forget COVID, my partner has another bi-weekly breathing crisis that's been going on since her infection in 2022. My best friend has been out of work since she last got Covid in 2020.

People that give me shit about masking are the grossest boomer reactionaries that I know, and I revel that I piss those knobheads off. Granted my situation is maybe easier than most, I'm white, tall, old, and have professional credentials. I think it's probably harder to fuck with me than a lot of other people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I cannot effect change by being the only person to wear a mask among millions in my community who do not. At that point it becomes a style choice.

I now wear a mask at the slightest symptoms in myself. I have gotten five or six vaccines and been infected three times.

I also have a chronic jaw issue that makes extended masking very painful for me.

I find the vitriol against not wearing a mask in this thread tiresome. Being hateful and enraged at 99% of people is not functional.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I find the vitriol against not wearing a mask in this thread tiresome

meanwhile, those of us who continue to mask find this sort of plague rat shit repulsive in the extreme.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

If you see no problem with referring to 99% of the population as plague rats then I don't know what to tell you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

99% of Americans would rather have all Palestinians get killed by Israel than see a 10% drop in the S&P 500 from arms divestment that'd be reflected in their retirement portfolio. Does that mean that communists have to bend over and not call out the bloodthirsty settlerbrained nonsense that the vast majority of people believe? Do we have to be nice to people who are committing violence against the disabled and elderly because they happen to be the overwhelming majority? Do we have to extend that politeness to online spaces that are supposed to be for likeminded people yet still appear to be full of the same plague rat mentality?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

99% of Americans would rather have all Palestinians get killed by Israel

Really? I've seen a protest a week since Oct 6 and have participated in many, I didn't get that vibe at all.

As I said above, I don't think calling the overwhelming majority of people rats is as good a look as you think it is, nor do I think it will achieve the goal you want.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Really? I've seen a protest a week since Oct 6

Yep, not to mention somewhere about 60-70% of Americans disapprove of Israel's genocide. But the Uncommitted Movement just endorsed Kamala Harris. UAW had endorsed Joe Biden months ago after no concessions wrt Gaza. The distance between where western leftists lie and the radical actions that are actually necessary to stop the genocide of the Palestinian people, COVID, and climate collapse is immense. What do you think happens to that 60-70% figure when you break down the effects of the collapse of American empire? Do you think anywhere more than a miniscule number of Americans currently stand in solidarity with the aims of the Axis of Resistance of complete eradication of the Zionist entity and American presence from Western Asia? Or are they just sad because they saw Palestinians being murdered, but will just as easily become outraged by whatever propaganda tells them to be angry about China or Russia next?

What does this tell us about COVID? Upthread there is already criticism of the individualistic approach of criticizing non-mask-wearers and prescription of new measures for the COVID conscious community to demand. HEPA filters, better ventilation, etc. But the thing these issues have in common with the failure of western anti imperialism, is that if we can't even get the basic knowledge across to a critical mass of people, as to make them make changes in their ordinary routines and daily behavior, then we obviously have a nearly impossible task ahead of us when tackling systems that have defence mechanisms built into them, much hardee defence mechanisms than simple force of habit.

Does that mean that the most effective strategy is to scream at people until they change their minds about the small stuff, then get together to scream about the big stuff? Obviously not, that strategy is ineffective on its own and I agree with you there. But when immunocompromised comrades' lives are on the line, of couse I'll scream at people who should get it because it's patently absurd that I have to explain basic facts that we already understood a couple months into the pandemic to people that are supposed to be materialists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Would you prefer "petri dish"? How 'bout "Nurglite"? There's two immunocompromised people in my house, and a dozen in my personal orbit. Three of them have ALREADY been to the hospital over COVID. SEVEN OF THEM, MYSELF INCLUDED, have dealt with Long COVID symptoms after our infections passed.

I am beyond camaraderie or even so much as friendship, with anyone who'd further jeopardize the health and safety of my family. Plague. Rats. I'll cross the street in front of you in public if I don't see a mask on you, with the dirtiest look as I go by.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll cross the street in front of you in public if I don't see a mask on you, with the dirtiest look as I go by.

The logistics of this in the dense community where I live make this a very, very silly image.

I don't think calling the vast majority of people rats is as good of a look as you think it is, nor do I think it effects the change you want.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don’t think calling the vast majority of people rats is as good of a look as you think it is,

You obviously don't know me then, I don't give the first fuck about optics in the eyes of crackers. I care about protecting the people I chose; and those who willingly carry pathogens and plagues in their faces are a tacit danger to me and my family.

I hope you have to live with the kind of lung scarring that my partner has to because crackers in my where wouldn't mask. I hope you have to live with the kind of brainfog that my grandfather has to exist in if he tries to exert himself in the ways he used to before the pandemic.

I curse you with that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Already have all that thanks 👍

Which comm am I in? Comradeship? Yea ok

Also yeah non-masking is famously a whites-only issue... U are the edgiest poster, all hail

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Catch covid, cracker. You are no comrade of mine, trying to argue over what I've had to live. Clearly, explaining it to you is useless; so just go experience it.

This "discussion", for what little it was worth, is over.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wishing covid on comrades is disgusting, grow up

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

What comrade? I don't see one. Taking up for them, you disgust me too.

Kill it or die with it. How dare any of you call yourselves my “comrades”.

This is the only energy I accept regarding COVID and how to handle it; otherwise you and I are not comrades.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I biked to the hospital on xmas day to help with the covid response and got close to min wage to do it; most days id bike past piles of dead bodies or carers sitting outside the care homes sobbing.

You sure showed me though well done, please inflict your anger on someone other than us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

U really showed me

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the people coming here from hexbear should take a deep breath and realize we all went thru the shit during covid and that not everyone is american

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Happy to hear alternate perspectives, actually came here for them in the first place

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I am too, just without the hostility to other people, we can be talked to and hear other viewpoints without the vitriol. I myself have a shit ton of trauma related to COVID, people being mean to me is bringing that backup; as to why I deleted all my comments prior.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you see taking basic precautions towards preventing an infectious disease as a ‘style choice’ then I suppose you can’t expect much patience and decorum from people who are especially at risk of its worst effects

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Obviously the exceeding vast majority of people do not want to wear them. One look outside will tell you that. Me wearing one while healthy, and especially now while immune to COVID, does not change anything. Scolding the world will get us nowhere.

People should absolutely mask while experiencing symptoms, after having a possible exposure to COVID, or in a preventative manner before being around a vulnerable population. Vulnerable people should be able to mask without being harassed. If that is insufficient, blame the CDC for calling people and telling them to go back to work as soon as their fever subsides, not me individually for seeing it as fruitless to wear a mask while healthy while that is happening. I have debilitating symptoms of long COVID, I am being victimized by this shit too.

Finally, the vast majority of people are healthy, and I take issue with the world view that every person is a threat.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Clearly systemic approaches are the appropriate response to a pandemic. But our capitalist system has utterly failed to address this problem or put forth the most basic of solutions. So we must collectively work to protect one another in spite of their actions. Nobody is immune to Covid. Even as somebody who has gotten every vaccine the moment I could, I am susceptible to an infection, just much less so than somebody without the vaccines. Even if I got lucky and it was asymptomatic for me, I can act as a vector to spread it to somebody who is more at risk or just less lucky and who has major health outcomes for it. I’d much rather stick out in a crowd for masking than be the person responsible for passing the virus

It’s not about ‘viewing the world as a threat’ or ‘living in fear’ or whatever. It’s about community protection and mitigating the fallout of the ruling class’ selfish policies. The response of any revolutionary to systemic failures which are harming us should be collective action and education, and masks are a large part of that in the current climate of an ongoing pandemic. I wouldn’t look at the fact that millions of Americans vote for dems and repubs and conclude “the people want capitalism, I may as well give up on socialism.” Same principle should apply here

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks, that's an interesting take.

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