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[โ€“] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Me, with a 7800X3D:

My ex, with a 7800X3D:

Anotger friend, with a 7600:

Collectively: "why would we upgrade just one generation?"

Like, sure, I have a Threadripper 1st and 2nd gen. I'm weird like that. I have a VII and a 7900 XTX. But the 7xxx is fine. I went from TR 2950X to the 7800X3D. Do I want more cores? Fuck yeah. Am I going to pay thousands of dollars for a modern high-core TR? Lmfao no.

If I was building a new machine for someone, sure, 9xxx. But shit, even a 3xxx in my network is still kicking ass. Why the hell would I upgrade when I don't want to? And the 7xxx is cheaper and - mostly - offers the same performance.

Drop the price if they want to sell more, simple as that. And don't expect upgrades every release family.

[โ€“] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm still on AM4, mainly because the jump is very expensive, essentially a new pc.

I would need a new CPU, motherboard and Ram to fit in my itx case.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Exactly, and my 5600 is still doing a great job. Give me a good deal and I'll upgrade, but I don't have a compelling reason right now to upgrade. Oh, and if I do need more performance, I can look at the AM4 X3D chip, which would be cheaper than getting AM5 and rebuilding my PC.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The thing is the 7800x3d is a gem of a CPU. It's has more compute than I could use and it's low power and runs cool.

I'm going to run it until I can't anymore, and I'll continue to upgrade around the AMD ecosystem unless they stop being awesome.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I just built a computer, and honestly I didn't need much more CPU than the Ryzen 3600 from my old one. CPUs don't go obsolete the way they used to.

I went with a 7000 series pretty much entirely because my new motherboard said "Compatible with 7000 series. Compatible with 9000 series with a BIOS update." And I didn't want to bother with having to get a loaner 7000 series to do a BIOS update, then swap CPUs.

[โ€“] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Everything is expensive and everyone's underemployed thanks to all the damage large corporations have done to the job market and the economy as a whole.

I just want to make almost as much money as I made as a shift manager in fast food 10 years ago, which is a job I ironically walked away from to get educated. I just hope the democrats win so they can maybe reverse some of that anti homelessness stuff because we're all going to need it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

https://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm

We measure this. Underemployment is not that high.

[โ€“] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago

Exactly. I really like the term "vibecession" coined by Kyla Scanlon, because it really hits this perfectly. People think things are bad, despite all evidence to the contrary.

From the numbers I've seen, the average household (i.e. making <$70k/year) is maybe paying a few percent more on net than they were 5 years ago. Wages tend to lag inflation, so it makes sense that people's wages would still be catching up now that inflation is pretty much back to normal. It'll probably take another year or two, but it'll get there.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

100%

People are making more money and growing poorer by the month.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

People are not growing poorer, they are growing richer

https://www.bls.gov/charts/usual-weekly-earnings/usual-weekly-earnings-over-time-total-men-women.htm

People make more money now than before the pandemic, even inflation adjusted

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Inflation adjusted looking pretty flat and that's if you trust their optimistic inflation calculations that likely underestimate it. Housing, education, and health care greatly outpace inflation btw, but hey, at least TVs are cheaper.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Price is probably #1.

Bit of speculation here with no real sources ; There was a boom in late 2022 through 2023 when people could finally reliably get parts again. I'm guessing many who wanted to upgrade already did in the past 2 years. Anyone who got a new computer in 2020 onward should be fine for at least a few more years. I think the average is around 7 years.

The market will probably see a surge between 2027-2030 as people begin replacing their "covid era" computers.The market right now is mainly seeing anyone with a pre-covid computer who bought a nice top of line machine for about 1k. They're looking at current pricing and choosing to go with today's mid-low teir, which will outclass their old 201x top of the line computer.

Another factor could be AAA gaming hasn't exactly been pumping out hit new tiles the last 5 years. People who wanted to play cyberpunk or Eldon ring already upgraded by the time Wukon came out.

With less new games requirng the latest and greatest means the need to upgrade is going drop too.

Again all speculation....

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not downgrading from my 4770 for that!

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

as someone who upgraded from a 4770k to a ryzen 3900x, you're kidding yourself if you really think your chip is superior. Makes for a decent truenas server though.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

I'm sorry, but I don't have a grand to throw at a single fucking processor. I can put together a whole computer for that kind of coin.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I don't need one right now and seeing how development slowed down won't need one in the foreseeable future

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Why would I downgrade from my 7000x3d chip

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

I got an 5800x3d and 64gb of ddr4. I see no need to jump up to a new CPU and invest in ddr5 memory yet. The performance benefit is only a few percent just isn't worth the upgrade in my opinion

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

I'm waiting on the new X870 chipset boards to come out. Why buy an old board with a new processor?

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Price drop put the 7900x at bargain bin prices and I bought that instead.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Would have to buy new board and RAM, not really worth it performance-wise, at least not for me. Some day, yes, but that day hasn't come and will definitely be after a GPU upgrade.

[โ€“] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago

Waiting for 9000 X3D. For most people, 7800X3D is more performant than anything 9000 series.

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