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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

A-10 go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I would have went with a predator drone.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

Asymetric war is a thing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

2A'ers are just mentally handicapped, there's no other way to explain it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

exactly why we need ground to air missiles for civilian use.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Article I Section 8 Clause 15 Calling Militias

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

I have no idea how the Constitution, which is so clear about the use of militia, has morphed into this fucked up 2A gunfucker bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I actually know this one. Federalist no 46 by James Madison. Not arguing against or for it, I just probably know what your fucked up 2a gunfuckers are referring to. either that or John Locke.

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Read "insurrections" as slave revolts and you can get a real sense of what the 2a was for.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

From left to right:

  • AIM-120 AMRAAM

  • AIM-9X Sidewinder

  • 2x GBU-54s

  • Fuel tank

  • Sniper pod (for targeting)

  • Another fuel tank

  • Not sure about that little thing, probably more targeting

  • Fuel tank

  • 4x GBU-39 Small diameter bombs

  • AIM-9X

  • AIM-120

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sniper pod (for targeting)

I'm just imagining a sniper lying in there, trying to stay on target while flying with mach-fuckton in a tiny metal pod

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Yeah this is similar to what I always tell these idiots. "You all know the government has tanks right. How many tanks y'all got? Three Broncos, an F-1f0, and a tractor? I'm sure those will hold up just fine to 120 mm cannon.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So MAGA is not the side I would take in a civil war, even if I were an American, however: "Experience has shown that attacks against tanks with close combat weapons by a sufficiently determined man will basically always succeed."

Look at the early stages of the Ukraine war Russia had in many heavy equipment categories a 5:1 superiority, Ukraine had comparitively few Tanks/AFVs/Aircrafts/Artillery/etc... yet still held it's own in no small part due to trenchlines of conventional boot-on-floor infantry men, mines, cheap drones, shoulder launched atgms and good motivation/organisation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

You're right, but bubba the gravy seal is not a sufficiently determined enemy. They tend to either bunker down and go out fighting or just get caught.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

To play devil's advocate, the US is enormous with over 330 million people. The current military strength is roughly a few million, including civilians and contractors. Additionally, there are roughly about 4,000 main battle tanks in service. There's maybe a couple thousand fighter jets and bombers combined. Keep in mind, a lot of the US military is abroad, especially our combat ready equipment.

Now, try to spread all of that out over roughly 4 million square miles. Hell, LA itself is around 470 square miles with almost 10 million people. The military would be idiotic to just blindly carpet bomb everything, since y'know, soldiers have families living all over the US, too. Not great for morale. Not to mention, the economy is pretty essential to keeping the machines of war going. Also food. And fuel. And infrastructure for logistics. And medicine. Etc, etc.

A civil war would not be cut and dry, regardless of how well armed and trained the formal military is. It's why China tries to keep an iron tight grip on its mass surveillance program to squash uprisings before/as soon as they start (and they periodically have them, think there's been one or two in the last decade). That's what the US is also trying to do. They call it antiterrorism precautions and other bullshit, but it's to keep all of us underfoot so no one is able to start an effective movement against the State.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What number of those people are of military age, though, fit, able, willing to upend their lives and would support whatever cause? A lot less than 330 million, I’d guess.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Considering the observed behaviour of the self designated militias in the US, the army would only need to say that there's a gathering of whatever group the militia opposes on main street and then gun down anyone that shows up in tactical gear. Even without the hyperbole, 2A people are too damaged by their desire to be in their personal action movie to be effective in any kind of war.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Are those conformal fuel tanks?

*Googling, looks like it.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yes, because the middle east never happened.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That's an imperial war where local knowledge is extremely limited and your relying on sympathetic locals to let you know the terrain and who the enemy are. If that sympathetic population is low like in Afghanistan or Vietnam then you'll walk into every ambush and never root out the enemy. In this environment guerilla war with small arms can work

If tyrrany comes to the u.s. though it'll come with at least 30% support if not more, ironically most likely by the 2a nuts. They'll happily point out every enemy of the state on there block and warn you about every ambush, hell they'll probably shoot them for you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

No, no, see it was the right of private gun ownership in Afghanistan. Just the guns nothing else necessary. And, by the way, “we could be like Afghanistan “ is actually a very good argument and not at all an admission.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I honestly don't know how well the US military would actually defend against a civil war. If it's guerilla then they can't just bomb the enemy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

They got drones.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Or Vietnam, post war Japan/Germany, the Philippines, the civil war & Wild West, any native American tribe etc.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The issue is about endurance. Are you okay with losing the majority of battles and having x10 the casualties? Not to mention all the left over bombs and chemicals causing deformations long after. A philosopher once said everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

First time I heard anyone call Mike a philosopher.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Now, try a swarm of armed drones.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because if Ukraine has taught us anything, it's that drones are definitely only limited to large and advanced military powers. There's no way a civilian would ever be able to make something like that

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ukraine isn't fighting the bulk of their war with drones, so it isn't really an appropriate comparison. One of the main reasons they're still in the fight is the plethora of highly advanced munitions that have been provided to them by NATO members. Lastly, drone warfare has become less and less effective over the last year against Russia. There are lots of countermeasures that can be implemented to take out drones. Hell, if you jam radio signals (which is easy to do), remote controlled drones become virtually useless outside of preprogrammed kamikaze tactics.

Just to clarify, I don't say that to discredit them being a viable and deadly weapon in guerilla warfare. They're very effective in certain situations and quite dangerous. Just pointing out they're not the end-all-be-all of modern warfare.

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