How do you guys get software that is not in your distribution's repositories?
- Compile from source
- Find alternative
- Deploy in VM/Docker
If I wanted snap, flatpak or appimages, I would use windows. Shared dependencies or death.
this post was submitted on 16 Sep 2024
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AUR. If it doesn't exist on AUR (very unlikely, but happens sometimes), I make a package for it.
On non-arch distros, I often use LURE.
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People spend a lot of time on this one. It must suck to be losing to snap.
I hate fucking snap. It might be enough to make me switch distros if Ubuntu keeps up with it (which I am sure they intend to).
The continual "you have new snaps" or whatever it was message every time I'm just trying to have a web browser open made me eventually figure out how to install firefox for real on all of my computers.
EDIT: I think you may have convinced me to try out Debian on my next OS installation.
The Firefox snap was the reason I left Ubuntu. (Or, the last straw, at least.) Fedora has been wonderful.
Make a script to extract it to /opt/local and make a symlink.
You'll end up using it so much and it's an easier upgrade on your terms.
Try debian, they improved so much over the past decade, they're a better Ubuntu than Ubuntu now without any bullshit.
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Build from source
I have a few source built packages that I use every day.
Loading up my system with several development libraries to compile a program is preferable to taking a giant dump on my system in the form of soypacks.
LFS Ftw!
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Native package manager > Native binaries > AppImage > Flatpak.
Yes, snap isn't even on the scale.
I'm a technically savvy but new to Linux user who installed Mint as my primary OS about a month ago. So far I've used Flatpaks and AppImages without any issue and haven't come across snaps. Would you explain the differences and why I would care about one over another?
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And the last three aren't even an option in the enterprise unless your CTO is 24.
Not a fan of AppImages myself. For an universal format it has surprising amount of issues with different distros, in my experience. And the whole Windows style "go to a website, download the AppImage, if you want to update it, go to the web page again and download it again" is one thing I wanted to get away from. At least they don't come with install wizards, that clicking through menus thing was a pain.
For one off stuff I run once and never need again, AppImage is alright. But not being built-in with sandboxing, repos, all that stuff, it just seems like a step back.
I ran into the same issues, mentally, when trying out AppImages for the first time - but my attitude changed once I found and started using this tool: https://github.com/ivan-hc/AM
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App images are a very Windows way to do things. They bundle everything so they are big
They are windows, but the linux version of dll-hell across distros and distro versions makes windows dll hell look quaint.
If someone had addressed that better it would be one thing, but binary interoperability is infinitely broken, so app image is actually an improvement.
Isn't the gnome runtime alone 2GiB? You know how many appimages that is?
Not to mention you are unlikely to only use one runtime.
Then again, loads of apps share that runtime. And if other runtimes have same stuff as that GNOME runtime, the shared parts are on your disk only once. It's pretty smart in how it works.
I tested installing some web browers, kdenlive, yuzu and libreoffice and without knowing I ended up with 3 different runtimes and the total storage usage (with deduplication) was 4.79 GIB.
Meanwhile with 33 appimages that I have (which includes same flatpak apps I mentioned) are using 2.2 GiB.
It doesn't matter if they share if in the end they end up using several times more storage than the appimage equivalent.
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Native binaries
Snap
Snap'd