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I did a search from shitjustworks for "reddit die" and did not find https://lemmy.world/c/watchredditdie so I made https://sh.itjust.works/c/watchredditdie (unnecessarily). This should really not happen. When someone makes a community there should be a "ping" sent out to notify all other federated instances.

And from what I know, if I post to !sh.itjust.works/c/watchredditdie only users on sh.itjust.works will see the posts until other people from other instances randomly come across it somehow and subscribe? This really needs to be improved.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I don’t think it’s bad thing that content is hidden.

To me, it’s comforting to think of cyberspace as being kind of like the real world. And in the real world, there’s distance. You can be near or far from things. You can travel, and the longer you travel the further you go. Things percolate through at a steady pace, and so everything’s not perfectly mixed but there are different zones with things going on.

When we had cyberspace shown to us in Snow Crash or Disclosure or NetRunner, it was always a space. Like a second world you could go live a life in.

I know it’s a loose connection, but I like how, in order to discover more instances I might have to travel to neighboring instances and then from there to others. Like each user you hear from has an instance in their username. That’s a way to discover instances.

And having redundant communities? That’s a great idea. Then you get that separation and divergent/recombinant evolution in those communities too.

Just a thought. As we add features, and remove constraints, from lemmy, we make serious architectural choices that will affect the way it feels and acts as space for communities to grow in.

We call it a Fediverse not a Fedidatabase. A ‘verse is a place you go through, at a speed, taking time. A ‘verse is a vast and wide place.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

A good implementation would be a warning at the creation of a community. Lemmy looks if a community already exist on the instances and display them. It would be on top of a better search.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There is a design conflict between on the one hand having the capability to locate and reach all instances of a thing, and on the other hand having those things be freely available to people.

This is, incidentally, why pro-2A people are so opposed to the idea of a gun registry.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not understanding what the conflict is between being able to locate a thing and that thing being available for use.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I didn’t say able to locate I said there being a list. But in that case being able to locate is a better term. And I didn’t say available I said freely available, which is an important distinction.

If a thing’s existence always includes a route to finding it, that constrains its existence. Barriers in adding to the list, or in whatever finding mechanism you use, become barriers to the creation of an instance of that thing.

That’s one problem. There are others too, but if we can’t agree on this one then we’ve no hope of discussing the others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I didn’t say able to locate I said there being a list.

Are you confusing comments?

I see this in the referred comment:

having the capability to locate

While the word "list" does not appear.

But mostly I think we should try to read the message, not focus on single words.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Like, do you need me to break down what happened there for you? Are you asking whether I made a mistake because you don’t know, or … for some other reason?

Yes. I made a mistake. I think it’s weird you’re behaving as if you need me to confirm that, but sure. I thought I said “list”, and didn’t. Oops. Fortunately for me I never lie and hence it didn’t matter if I remembered what I said because I immediately recognized that “locate” is better terminology despite thinking it was your wording not mine so … are we good on that?

What were you gonna say in terms of responding to the message?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Okay. Anything else?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah there's a tool called LCB (Lemmy Community Boost but it's not a perfect solution to this issue. A good idea would be to have something like that built right into Lemmy, where instances can have an internal account that will look for and subscribe to communities which opt into discovery.

Soemthing like how the join-lemmy site works where it finds instances, but for communities. Obviously this would need to be enabled and allowed by instance moderators, smaller instances and personal ones with limited space probably don't want to pull from every community in the fediverse, but for larger ones, such a feature would be greatly beneficial.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but have it be a feature of Lemmy itself and have it automatically look for communities and subscribe to ones that have a discovery setting enabled.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Hopefully it will happen in the coming releases.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

If instances don’t want to federate with some or all other instances, that is their choice, and that’s on purpose. Some just want to have smaller communities, stronger moderation, and sometimes be entirely private.

If you’re looking for instances that federate with most, you should choose yours accordingly. And I think you won’t have an issue with that, because most popular instances chose to go this route.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This is not about federation between instances. It's about how community discovery within federated instances works. Currently it's definitely sub-par.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Something tells me that neither one of those communities are going anywhere anyway. No matter what tweaking is done to Lemmy. The one you mentioned is so dead you might as well have made another. There’s already Reddit themed communities that are meant for the same thing really as that’s all most of us want it to do is die.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Does this mean it’s time for /c/watchwatchredditdiedie?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Go for it, I'll subscribe. When that type of community takes off I'll know we've really gotten somewhere haha

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

And if it doesn’t we know what to do

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Indeed, I mentioned this to OP as well in his post on [email protected] a few days ago

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

/r/watchredditdie is not going to migrate to /c/reddit communities that are mildly-anti-reddit at best and often have pro-reddit content. I'm hoping they'll be willing to migrate to a /c/watchredditdie one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Still waiting for you to show us that pro-reddit content in those communities, last time you used an !asklemmy thread

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Here you go https://sh.itjust.works/post/13700601. Most of the votes and comments are pro-reddit. And a user there also mentions another anti-reddit thread that the mods deleted for a pretty ridiculous reason.

A major reddit critic posts to lemmy and they get trolled or astroturfed, and their thread deleted.

Regardless, I've done what I can to try to get some communities to move to Lemmy, and they don't seem interested. So I think I give up for now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Pressure your instance to join https://boost.lemy.lol and pressure your mods to add the community there (or you can add it yourself if the instance is already part of the project).

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