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According to the Australian Federal Police, a then-32-year-old man from Western Australia was disruptive on a flight headed from Perth to Sydney. As a result, the plane had to turn around and go back to Perth, which meant that the pilot was forced to dump some fuel to land.

Now, the passenger has been ordered to pay $8,630 AUD ($5,806 USD) back to the airline to cover the cost of the wasted fuel. The Perth Magistrate Court also fined him $6,055, meaning that his mid-air misbehavior has a total price tag of $11,861 – likely many times higher than whatever h

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So does "dump fuel" literally mean "sprinkle a large volume of jet fuel over a large swathe of countryside?" Does it become diffuse enough that the environmental impact is negligible, or do we get a big splash that kills everything in an AoE?

Like... I'm surprised the fuel cost is the focus here, and not the environmental impact of releasing jet fuel just... into the air I guess? But maybe it doesn't work the way I'm picturing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's exactly right. But much evaporates or is diffused over such a large area that no one particular piece of land gets a significant amount.

The alternative is landing overweight, risking potential damage or failure to the aircraft's landing gear, full of human lives, while still full of the explodey stuff.

The other alternative is designing planes to land at heavier weights, resulting in every other flight being less efficient.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Thanks... Yeah that makes sense. I can understand that sometimes the trade-off would make dumping fuel the right choice... I just wonder if the environmental impact factor in.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Dumping fuel is not uncommon.

The plane needs to be a certain weight to land and so fuel burn is calculated into that.

Obviously planes don't intend to dump fuel but there are unforeseen circumstances which mean necessitate this.

It's hard to say but I should imagine dilution, has a large impact on any sort of environmental concerns.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

jet fuel isn't dumped that rarely, it diffuses over an enormous area and isn't significantly harmful to the ground, but is a greenhouse "gas" source iirc.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Neither the man nor the airline was publicly named, nor was it specified exactly what he did to earn such a hefty penalty.

Why the hell not? I feel like it's weird for this information to not be public in a case like this-- In this same article, there are three examples of other incidents where the details are known.

Phrases like the passenger "was disruptive," and “It’s far simpler to obey the directions of airline staff than cause unnecessary issues, which can end up hitting you in the hip pocket” seem weirdly euphemistic to me.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

The story in the article about the guy who tried to get into the cockpit is amazing... he's lucky he didn't get himself killed by the other passengers. Since that little incident twenty years ago even Granny will chew on your face if it looks like you're pulling that shit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Tell me you're from Perth without saying you're from Perth...

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The single highest individual penalty, $40,823, was issued to a traveler who brought their own alcohol on board, was intoxicated, attempted to smoke marijuana in the lavatory, and sexually assaulted a flight attendant – all in a single flight.

Elon? You flying commercial these days?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They said alcohol, not ketamine

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Maybe it was just to wash down some Ambien.

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