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Hey 👋 if you don't know us already, we're building Frontpage; an AT Procol based federated link aggregator. We shipped an initial MVP in closed beta recently and have since been thinking about the road to general availability.

This post is an RFC (Request for Comments) targeted at technically minded folks who are interested in seeing the progression of atproto for non-Bluesky/microblogging use cases. All that's to say the language that follows assumes some knowledge about how Bluesky and atproto work! I've tried to include links to explain what all of the jargon means though, so hopefully it's not entirely nonsense for folks a little less familiar!

When you post on Frontpage, we propose that a mirror post will also be created in your Bluesky account. When you comment on Frontpage, we propose that a mirror reply will be created in your Bluesky account.

Conversely, when you reply to one of these mirrored posts in Bluesky - we will show it as a reply in Frontpage.

Additionally, Bluesky likes will be translated to Frontpage votes and vice versa.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Tried Masto and Pixelfed, left after The Great Sellout to Meta. Trying Lemmy for now but it's limited in breadth and scope.

I'd like to see a fedi digest app more than anything, gathers it all up and presents it. Then if I want to interact I can sign up for one of them. But first I want to see where things are.

In general, the technically-discerning aren't going to care as much about quantity, more about quality and features.

I'd like to block every wealthy narcissist and never read their name or see their troubled insane faces in posts, I'm fed up with the narrative on both sides and have other interests.

So if Frontpage gathered it all up and filtered out the paid narratives and shills I get to choose, while letting me follow interesting minds, I'd be very interested.

If it had a prominent link to which instance, it might become clear what instance and software is best for me.

Right now I like Piefed's ability to filter and not Lemmys militaristic intentional inability to do so.

Masto filtered, but doesn't migrate well and now federates with the shitasses on Meta, which I don't want to consort with or support. If I want to sign up for Meta it's not hard, but I haven't ever done so and don't need coercive help from fake empaths running .social instances. I'm not a farm animal, Stux.

I think the fedi got it backwards, new users need to browse first to find what they want. I get it as a techie kind, but right now it's forbidding to many with all the unknown choices.

If Frontpage, someday, can also interpolate comments and vote between the softwares that survive, that'd be a nice thing to add to a browser that's already familiar to new users.

But I think it's way early for that. Kbin is already in the past, Mbin may or may not be a true continuation, the Meta connection nay not be worthwhile for their investors, bluesky is still a pig-in-a-poke for me.

One thing that is missing, again, is a digest to browse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Great Sellout to Meta.

Is this Great Sellout in the room with us right now? Because Meta did implement an open protocol into Threads, but it has been widely blocked by other ActivityPub instances. That is not a "sellout".

Sounds like your principles will only lead you off social media, perhaps the internet entirely?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

The 2 largest mastodon instances both misrepresented involvement or intent with Meta to their users, then turned around and federated.

Those were/are the best chance for the fedi to leap forward.

They are the most popular and also now the keast likely to be used by tech people, both because if the association and because they misled their users.

The admins of those, one of which is the masto dev, have arguably done more harm to the fedi than anyone else. People left for bluesky right after the bragconfession and openly posted about why.

So it's not in the room with me, because I dropped their scene and closed all my accounts.

It takes a moral village idiot to compromise the whole environment just to grab some cash for their subsequent honeymoon. Not unlike current Twitter management thinking, and not unlike social media thought-levels in general.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't want Lemmy and Mastodon to interop...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Though luck, they are interpretations already and have been doing it since the beginning.

The first comment I ever made to a Lemmy community was via Mastodon - that's how I found out about Lemmy in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

One thing that seems to go unappreciated in the comments is the simplicity of this interop proposal: It is essentially about enabling quote-posting of link-aggregator(Groups) posts.

Bluesky + Frontpage will work this way, and I believe it’ll work exceedingly well. If the ap-net corner of the fediverse isn’t interested in this kind of interop, fair enough. To me however the promise of seamless interop between my social apps was what brought me to the fediverse, so that’s the version of the fediverse I will pursue.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I also think that this is how it should be. Initially I thought I wouldn't need multiple accounts for the fediverse. Right now I'm more active on Bluesky than on Mastodon so it would be great to have an AT Protocol equivalent to Lemmy/Reddit and all that without having to create a new account for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Bluesky is not a part of the fediverse. If they don't want to use standards and the devs cry about how it is absolutely impossible to integrate the features of ATProto into ActivityPub, then they can fuck off.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How does your comment relate to my comment?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

How does it not relate to your comment?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I never said that Bluesky is part of the fediverse for example and the rest of your comment seems to me like it should be directed to OP or devs of ATProto and not me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Who said I directed my complaints at you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why did you write your comment as an answer to my comment then if it's not directed at me?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bluesky is not a part of the fediverse.

That is directed at you, but is not a complaint.

The rest is my own rant at the devs, not directed at you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Then you misunderstood me because I know that Bluesky is not part of the fediverse. With my comment I was trying to say that I would be happy to be able to communicate solely in ATProto apps with one account instead of with multiple accounts in ActivityPub.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Seems quite relevant indeed.

To the stance above: if people prefer to have a unified experience managed by a corporation, that's okay.

There are enough people on the Internet to keep a few places actives. The Fediverse and Blueskey can coexist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes and that's why I don't understand their comment and even less why it gets downvoted. They seem to complain about something to me that I didn't even mention and the topic was not about combining ATProto with ActivityPub or whatever.

Maybe relate wasn't the right word. English isn't my native language.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Reading the thread again, I guess it comes from

Initially I thought I wouldn’t need multiple accounts for the fediverse.

Followed by

Right now I’m more active on Bluesky

Some people might have understood it as "The Fediverse failed, Bluesky is better". As I said, to me it's okay to prefer one or the other, but some people are less tolerant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I also want interoperability between microblogging and threaded services, but unfortunately I'm a little skeptical about the account mirroring concept. Or, at least, I'd like more details about it.

Do users need to opt-in to have their accounts mirrored, like how they do with brid.gy right now? If there are a bunch of users with Bluesky accounts that don't have Frontpage accounts, that would mess with the ability to have all comments showing up between the two services, and it would prevent some people from posting a comment on someone else's comment if one of the commenters has not opted-in to have their account mirrored. Or, can a plain Bluesky account comment on Frontpage threads, but not start a thread?

I like the idea of being able to quote-post link aggregator threads to your Bluesky account, but I think ideally this would only require one account. Which would mean you could also use your Bluesky account to start a thread on Frontpage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Sorry for the late reply, but I wanted to address your question -- I think one misunderstanding is: in a sense there are no Bluesky accounts and there are no Frontpage accounts, there are only atproto accounts. Whether you make a post on Bluesky or Frontpage or Whitewind or Smokesignal, all of them get collected in the same repository. Here is a neat atproto browser which can display this, this is the account of Frontpage founder Tom Sherman and you can find all of his collections there: https://atproto-browser.vercel.app/at/tom-sherman.com

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the promise of seamless interop between my social apps was what brought me to the fediverse, so that’s the version of the fediverse I will pursue.

That's fair.

For some other people the appeal of the Fediverse is to be able to manage the instances themselves, and Bluesky still isn't there yet on that side (and probably won't, as it would prevent them from generating revenue if someone can just open a server and connect to their network)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Bluesky still isn’t there yet on that side (and probably won’t, as it would prevent them from generating revenue if someone can just open a server and connect to their network)

I don't think that's necessarily true. As fas as I know there are no plans to inject ads, they are planning to create a marketplace for custom feeds (think "premium" feeds) and labelers and such where they would take a cut. You would obviously still be able to purchase access to them from other servers. But this goal seems kinda lofty, not sure if it can be viable.

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