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Sanders warns Biden: address working-class fears or risk losing to demogogue (www.theguardian.com)

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In an interview with the Guardian from his home base in Burlington, Vermont, Sanders urged the Democratic president to inject more urgency into his bid for re-election. He said that unless the president was more direct in recognising the many crises faced by working-class families his Republican rival would win.

“We’ve got to see the White House move more aggressively on healthcare, on housing, on tax reform, on the high cost of prescription drugs,” Sanders said. “If we can get the president to move in that direction, he will win; if not, he’s going to lose.”

The US senator from Vermont added that he was in contact with the White House pressing that point. “We hope to make clear to the president and his team that they are not going to win this election unless they come up with a progressive agenda that speaks to the needs of the working class of this country.”

Sanders’ warning comes at a critical time in American politics. On Monday, Republicans in Iowa will gather for caucuses that mark the official start of the 2024 presidential election.

Biden faces no serious challenger in the Democratic primaries. But concern is mounting over how he would fare against Trump given a likely rematch between them in November.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Unless the Trump is held accountable, He will most likely win. People's material needs are important and Dem messaging has basically been hey we showed this graph so you're not struggling and anything popular you want won't happen. But everything bad will happen with the other guy. Being not Trump once again is a dangerous way to win the election. Trump's cultist ass should be getting crushed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately the way I see it is Biden will lose for two reasons:

Hes old af
Inflation

Regardless of policies or how terrible the alternative is. I dont think most people are going to think much past "Things are expensive now, and oh great a super old white dude".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

If biden loses, a big part of why will be the single issue “genocide Joe” kids who, like their predecessors, The Bernie Bros, took their vote and went home over something that was much smaller than the potential loss of democracy.

Downvote all wish, the fact remains: had the Bernie bros not thrown a temper tantrum, there’s a good chance 2016 could have turned out differently.

Disagreeing does not make this untrue.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

When do we get to blame the shit candidate who lost instead? Bernie didn't ignore and not campaign in multiple states because he thought they were in the bag, that was Hillary. Bernie didn't conspire with the dnc to put up the worse polling candidate because it was "their turn", that was Hillary. Bernie supporters didn't say "we don't need your vote" to the progressive voters, those were Hillary supporters.

This shit makes me want to write Bernie in instead of holding my nose and voting for Biden like I did last time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

When the polls reflect the proper amount of democratic voters during the election.

You fail to realize that when people stay home and don’t vote- it shows. So we’re well aware of how many of you “democrats” stayed home in 2016.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

His first play will be cannabis being decriminalized.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Man I would love to see this, but its one of those things that I will believe when I see. I hope I have to eat my words on that too. Even if so, I dont think decriminalization would mean much to people in terms of getting out to vote. Most people who are really passionate about this over other issues have had the states handle it for them already. Dems waited too long for Federal Decriminalization to be a big motivator in a national election in my opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Trump's cultist ass should be getting crushed.

Makes me wonder what might have happened if the DNC hadn't f**ked Bernie over, twice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Well progressives are to blame for their incessant whining that any candidate that is not 100% progressive is absolute shit. Progressives are bitching about PEOPLE while corporatists are controlling the narrative about ISSUES.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Biden really needs to understand how unpopular he is. Not that he will, but I can dream.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I really don't want another run of Trump pardoning psychopaths and doing what he wants. But democracy is basically in the hands of Dems and they scrap by when it comes to connecting with people or even giving them a vision post beating Trump.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The only way Trump is "connecting" with people is by telling them grandiose lies and making impossible promises.

Annoyingly, a shitton of people are willing to go along with those lies without thinking about it or questioning anything.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

With an election coming up, the Schrodingers Leftist dilemma is in full force, even on Lemmy -

Where we're simultaneously both powerful enough to be personally behind every Republican win of the past 20 years, and also so insignificant that we must be ridiculed and bullied at every turn to remind us that we have NO PLACE in their party they blame us for not backing.

The best part is that most of the time people hit both sides of the coin in the same comment.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Call me stupid, cuz I don't know. But why isn't anyone challenging Biden in the media? Or even talking about Marianne Williamson's (who I thought was a challenger) bid for the Democrat ticket?

How do we not have people lining up to replace Biden on the left?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Without the support of the DNC they know all they can do is weaken biden.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Media is a scary thing. Progressive ideas are so popular rn, and yet centrist and corporate donors still control everything. This election cycle has been such a slow boil and everyone seems to be tapped out already

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Trump has both parties strangled and nobody is willing to make inroads for third parties or ending FPTP. Voters are abused spouses that aren't willing to fuck off to the shelter or streets because it will suck.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

He said that unless the president was more direct in recognising the many crises faced by working-class families his Republican rival would win.

No, The Guardian, you missed the whole fucking point.

The important thing Sanders said is that unless the president was more direct in recognizing the many crises faced by working-class families then our entire democracy would be destroyed.

This is an existential threat, not a goddamned motherfucking horse race, and I am sick and tired of the media supporting fascism by treating it like the latter!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If Americans can’t realize for themselves that Biden is the most progressive president we’ve had since Jimmy Carter then we deserve Trumps dictatorship. I’m not saying Biden is adequately progressive (he’s not), but can anyone name a more progressive president in the last 50 years?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

bringing up the idea of voting third party is not a good choice here, huh? If i did that, i would get a lot of copypasta 'but trump' if i did so I'll just say this instead:

Since we all know we need a third party eventually, what do we think we could do to make that happen in the future? (After this election i mean, and trump disappears forever, melted by our vote power.)

How long would we need to wait? (Don't want to steal votes from Democrats mind you) would they're ever be a time where that wouldn't happen? If we asked the DNC about timing, do you think they would help us get one started? If we tried and somehow succeeded in getting something off the ground, how might both parties feel about that attempt? Would they be for or against? If they were against, would they try to crush it? If they tried to crush it, what would they do to crush it? They probably wouldn't use force first, so maybe they'd use words. What might they say about it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Good questions. As with most things in society, true change has to start small. So you have to start by changing the messaging. With greater organization and messaging you start local and build a foundation. It drives me nuts that we have these conversations every 4 years about the presidency and then everybody goes back to their lives for another 4 years. Meanwhile the corporate machine is continuing their messaging that "government bad, worker's rights/unions bad, minimum wage bad, welfare bad, education bad, stock market good". What do you expect?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah. If i use myself as a barometer of what regular people are capable of, i simply don't have the time n money n energy to start my own campaign or put time and money into a smaller political entity, to try and build them up for the next, out even the next next presidency.

I mean, were talking realism it would be a small party that won at the local level first yeah? Or so I've been told.

So we're talking decades. I have thought idly about how something like that could even happen over that time, and the only realistic starting point i can't think of is a pipe dream on its own, UBI.

I cannot think of another way the common man could compete with all that corpo monkey

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I get it. Maybe we can all just start by changing the conversation and focus on the positive things Biden has done and encourage more of the same. The narrative is only focusing on the negatives and that will affect polling and voting.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Biden is the most pro-union president we've had in years and he's responsible for the resurgence of unions. Bernie and all the commenters here seem totally detached from reality.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-signs-bill-block-us-railroad-strike-2022-12-02/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He then went on to apply pressure to the railroads in order to get them everything they wanted without striking.

The IBEW sums up his many accomplishments for unions:

Throughout his first term, President Biden has been a steadfast ally of unions and American workers. I am confident that support will continue in his second term. The Biden-Harris administration has consistently advanced policies that empower workers, created opportunities for everyday people, and promoted the well-being of working families. As a direct result of these efforts, the Biden-Harris administration has overseen robust economic growth, increased worker wages and the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years.

President Biden's dedication to unionism has spurred tangible wins for IBEW that will lead to good union jobs and stronger communities for decades. Without President Biden and Vice President Harris, we simply would not have the pro-union, pro-worker policies included in the American Recovery Act, the Inflation Reduction Act, the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, and the CHIPS and Science Act. Significantly, President Biden’s strong leadership saved IBEW pensions – a benefit every worker should enjoy – through the enactment of the Butch Lewis Emergency Pension Relief Act.

Within the first week of taking office, President Biden and Vice President Harris began appointing into the administration union officials who have dedicated their lives to advancing the labor movement's core principles and worker’s rights, including a card-carrying union member for Secretary of Labor and a chief counsel for the NLRB who supports collective bargaining.

President Biden has issued executive orders to reverse policies that have eroded unionists' strength for decades, including industry-recognized apprenticeship programs (IRAPs) and rules that gutted federal employees’ collective bargaining rights. And then the Biden-Harris Administration went on the offense: mandating project labor agreements (PLAs) on federal construction projects, establishing the first-ever White House Task Force on Worker Organizing and Empowerment, and ensuring that skilled American workers benefit from historic federal investments.

President Biden has a proven record of fighting to strengthen labor laws and protecting workers' rights to organize and collectively bargain, which has led to a resurgence in union membership and power of the labor movement.

https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2304/230425_IBEWEndorses

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

ALL of a union's power is in striking/the threat of striking, and it needs to be demonstrated regularly. Biden not letting the nation feel the pain of a railroad strike was a disservice to the union movement.

Not winning those concessions through a strike was a blow to the union movement. Daddy came and took away their privilege to fight back, spoke to the railroad, and got their ice cream for them... this time.

They need to have their own power 24/7/365 under any President, or they have no power at all.

How you win is just as important as winning. They need to be a peer that can stand up to the railroad with consequences at any time, or they're on borrowed time before the next encroachment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Remember what happened when the air traffic controllers tried to strike and shut down the country's airports? Anti-union sentiment, Federal Unions outlawed, a wound they still haven't recovered from. Biden was trying to avoid an outcome like this, quite astutely. If they had shut down the nations economy with a railroad strike he would have gotten the blame and unions would have been set back decades.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah Biden lost me when he outlawed the rail strike (please dont link me to electrical union statement). Frankly its just been downhill from there anyway.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Don't link you evidence that the unions themselves thanked Biden for his help and they got what they wanted without striking?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

he outlawed a rail strike and you want to link me a statement from an electrical union that opposed the strike from the beginning and always had sick days. And then I point out how not everyone got any sick days from this, the ones who did didnt get what they would have gotten from a strike, and outlawing strikes poisons any future union bargaining. Im tired of fuckin democrats coming in here to tell me how it was a good thing that the unions didnt get to collective bargain, they dont need any influence on labor because employers and the government have their best interests in mind.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Most of us rank and file union members think that he did what he had to do because inflation was already out of control and shutting down the railroads risked tipping the country into recession which would've guaranteed a "red wave" election in '22 as well as the reelection of Trump, both of which would be far more dire for working people.

Local 10 till I die!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

"Leftist"/Dum-Dum left yet again being the most anti-labor aspects of the Democrat party despite waving union issues around, sadly. They are so fickle and searching for some wild thing to justify quitting & trying to hand the GOP a win at a moments notice. They won't put the work into listening to great workers like yourself & what it takes to get the job done.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (18 children)

To be fair, attention span is short. Anything the administration does too early before the election will be completely forgotten by November.

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