I can't even remember the last time a superhero was like this.
this post was submitted on 06 Sep 2024
494 points (87.1% liked)
Comics
5916 readers
70 users here now
This is a community for everything comics related! A place for all comics fans.
Rules:
1- Do not violate lemmy.ml site-wide rules
2- Be civil.
3- If you are going to post NSFW content that doesn't violate the lemmy.ml site-wide rules, please mark it as NSFW and add a content warning (CW). This includes content that shows the killing of people and or animals, gore, content that talks about suicide or shows suicide, content that talks about sexual assault, etc. Please use your best judgement. We want to keep this space safe for all our comic lovers.
4- No Zionism or Hasbara apologia of any kind. We stand with Palestine π΅πΈ . Zionists will be banned on sight.
5- The moderation team reserves the right to remove any post or comments that it deems a necessary for the well-being and safety of the members of this community, and same goes with temporarily or permanently banning any user.
Guidelines:
- If possible, give us your sources.
- If possible, credit creators of each comics in the title or body of your post. If you are the creator, please credit yourself. A simple β- Meβ would suffice.
- In general terms, write in body of your post as much information as possible (dates, creators, editors, links).
- If you found the image on the web, it is encouraged to put the direct link to the image in the βLinkβ field when creating a post, instead of uploading the image to Lemmy. Direct links usually end in .jpg, .png, etc.
- One post by topic.
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
Batman? Instead of helping with his massive wealth he goes around beating people up who do petty theft.
Well there's that (and an answer to that,) but I meant superheroes enforcing the status quo by beating up people who want a change for the better without addressing their complaints. Like Killmonger comes to mind, but Black Panther did listen.
Falcon and Winter Soldier did listen too but did nothing to solve the problem
I wouldn't say nothing. After stopping the Flag Smashers, they went to the GRC and told them not to be so mean to the refugees. But they didn't really address the world borders thing or anything (as far as I remember,) so I guess this counts.
load more comments
(1 replies)
I don't understand people who push this narrative. It's generally just... not true?
It's definitely true sometimes. The tortured revolutionary that took it too far is a very common trope. A lot of the time, it's just very wishy-washy, as you'd expect from a mass produced cash machine like Marvel. When you're making so many stories, they're not all going to be winners, for any number of reasons. The people that think Marvel is making propaganda are just looking for it. The movies just aren't that good, they're not hiding some sinister motive
Marvel Defenders of the Status Quo: https://youtu.be/LpitmEnaYeU
Great video! The way I've always seen it is that since there are superpowers both in the hand of good and bad people it becomes the job of the good people to prevent the bad ones using their powers for bad stuff and only that. But I mean at the end of the day these movies are just pulp designed to turn your brain off with for a few hours so there's that.
If you can, read MiracleMan by Alan Moore. Spoilers to the middle of the comic, MiracleMan destroy all weapons on earth, redistribute all resources and eliminate money from human society, with his powers create technology that fulfill all human needs and recluse himself. The comic stop being about him, and moves to how people live in a new society when an actual God makes your wishes true, and the subsequents decades of prosperity for everyone. The comic was never finished, sadly, but it was implied that things were about to go dark soon.
Alan Moore didn't though it was realistic to have super heroes, like superman, existing in out society while keeping the status quo as it is. Some things fundamental to our capitalist society, like the insurance industry, cannot exists in the Marvel universe where from nowhere half New York can be destroyed.
load more comments
(1 replies)
I see what the writer is saying for sure but Iβll be honest and say Spider-Man wasnβt the best choice of superhero to try to make this point
I just want to start this sentence with saying that I know literally nothing about Captain America, but I'm willing to bet that Captain America would be a much better choice. Maybe not the current reincarnation, as most movie studios have realized that not everyone is pro establishment. But maybe Captain America of a few decades ago.
I mean, there was k8nd of a whole event that lead to a massive super powered civil war where Cap lead the charge on the "rebel," side. The movie didn't do it justice, at all, but still had Cap on the anti-government interference side.
While you were writing that, I was expanding my comment as the current (2010ish and later) super hero writers have kind of realized that government isn't inherently good. Which time frame are you referencing?
load more comments
(1 replies)
load more comments
(3 replies)
They call him your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man for a reason
He's always depicted as hand-to-mouth poor.
Of all the superheroes, he's probably the most proletariat-affiliated.
On the other side, there are examples like the Pym family, who destroy their stretch limos whenever they're dirty to buy new ones.
load more comments
(1 replies)
load more comments
(4 replies)
Since spiderman was used as an example I'll list the villains for the newer spider man films, you tell me where the films are promoting the status quo:
Homecoming: a group of criminals who stole incredibly advanced weapons and used them to terrorize communities in new york.
Far from home: a guy gets really pissed that some technology that he made for a company was property of the company, starts endangering civilians to make him look like a hero.
No way home: Classic spider man villains from other universes come to this Spiderman's universe, spider man tries to help them improve themselves and there lives
This comic is just a "quit having fun" but with leftist pandering
If we want to argue the other way:
Homecoming: Tony Stark fucks over a bunch of union workers, leading them into a life of crime to support their families.
Far From Home: Tony Stark fucks over a fellow scientist, dismissing his lifes work as a party trick and tanking his career, the scientist then uses his technology to make himself appear as a hero and save his reputation.
No Way Home: Spider Man condemns four out of five men to die in their home universe, attempting to rehabilitate them and reverse their powers before their eventual deaths.
and if we want to argue the other other way:
Homecoming: tony stark decides to actually help clean up after himself for once instead of making the citizens of new york pay for it (many of whom are homeless after the events of "avengers"). Some union workers start to destroy small businesses and kill people because of that
Far from home: A guy kills people because his invention wasn't respected as much as he would prefer
No way home: spider man destroys his whole life and sacrifices 4 people who he tried to help for the sake of all life in the multiverse
load more comments
(2 replies)
load more comments
(1 replies)
Homecoming: Blue collar workers are told they're fired and replaced by billionaire Tony Stark's new government backed company, Haliburton. I mean Defence Force or something. System failed them so they said fuck it.
Far From Home: Billionaire's company steals invention of his employee and passes it off as his own. Makes more billions. Dozens of the employees quit to support employee's new plans of taking back his tech and usurping Billionaire's world dominance. System failed them so they said fuck it.
No Way Home: Literally just a movie about how Spiderman and the system failed these "villains" who really just needed support with mental health and navigating a shit system.
Yes and it's also about how all that doesn't justify killing people.
load more comments
(1 replies)
"I grew up poor, my family had to struggle, my uncle beat me and/or died... but instead of getting handouts!, life threw me a curve ball and radiated/bit me into bootstrapping myself! and helping my community or something. I dunno, cops don't show up anymore."
superheroes are "benign" fascists which I'd why they have to be supernatural to exist.