Saving Israeli hostages is ANTISEMITIC!
World News
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News [email protected]
Politics [email protected]
World Politics [email protected]
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
Hey that's exactly the thing they've been doing with the settlements and the two state solution. Who would have thought they would use that strategy AGAIN?!
Sue for peace while secretly sabotaging that effort is straight out of Putin's playbook
Damn. Beginning to think we shouldn't be selling ~~Augusto Pinochet~~ ~~Saddam Hussein~~ ~~Slobodan Milosevic~~ ~~Manuel Noriega~~ Benjamin Netanyahu all these cutting edge killing machines.
We should go back to the days when the leader of the country went to war with you. That'd put a stop to shit like this real fast.
I mean... they are to the extent they would be.
The idea of the heroic king fighting on the frontlines is a giant load of bullshit that was (and still is) used to manipulate the masses. Even back when we were walls of spears smashing our pointing bits into each other, officers (so nobility and government) would hang back. Because you need someone who can coordinate the battle (to the limited extent they could) and sound a retreat (or flee).
Even modern day middle manager officers are pretty safe either back in the command tent or off to the side so that they can hear the radio and coordinate support.
And if even the Colonels are on the front line? Something has gone HORRIBLY wrong.
This "member when our leaders would actually fight for us" is the kind of bullshit that leads to strongman fascists... like netanyahu.
Pretty sure it's far more nuanced than that, how fascists get into power, but okay.
The idea of the heroic king fighting on the frontlines is a giant load of bullshit that was (and still is) used to manipulate the masses.
Not entirely bullshit. Leaders like Alexander the Great and King Richard I are noted as being constantly in the thick of the fighting. Warlords like that need to be in the fighting, exposed to danger, in order to preserve their own military credentials with their troops (who will be far less fooled by tall tales of battles they themselves were in). And that kind of warlord leadership is pretty common before the modern day.
The thing is, it's ineffective, because it means every time you fight a battle, you risk a decapitation of your entire army or state and a succession crisis. So military institutions that last long enough pretty inevitably come to the conclusion that "At least out of javelin range" is the preferred distance for a king or general.
See: Propaganda by strongman fascists
But also? Nobility would not be part of the spearwall. Or, to be more precise, they would not be part of the first spearwall and may only be part of a formation that comes in to mop up when the battle is all but won. Or they would be mounted tanks in the form of plate armor (more richard than alexander). They key being that they would be able to get their blade wet but would be in little to no danger.
I loathe to compare the two as I think Zelenskyy is actually a genuinely good leader who is focusing on his role as a political leader, but he is actually a really good example of this. When things are comparatively safe he'll walk the front(-ish) lines and get face time with the soldiers to maintain morale and get photo ops. But mostly he is a politician in camo pants who is making sure that the people who actually are fighting for Ukraine's survival have guns and ammo. A more "strongman" style leader might argue that as being "he is on the frontlines fighting alongside the heroic men and women of our army" but he is never in any meaningful danger.
But also? Nobility would not be part of the spearwall. Or, to be more precise, they would not be part of the first spearwall and may only be part of a formation that comes in to mop up when the battle is all but won. Or they would be mounted tanks in the form of plate armor (more richard than alexander). They key being that they would be able to get their blade wet but would be in little to no danger.
While they wouldn't be part of the spearwall, they generally were in constant and very real danger. Cavalry is safer, but very far from safe, and often dedicated early in the battle to prevent enemy cavalry from taking the initiative. Richard I, for example, who lived before plate armor was in vogue, was constantly in the thick of the fighting, even when the battles were desperate. The Roman generals (and later Emperors) Vespasian and Titus both were wounded multiple times during the First Jewish-Roman War, and they even came from a less foolhardy military tradition of officership. Pyyrhus of Epirus died because he was in the thick of the fighting, and he wasn't exactly a meathead. Genghis Khan, Emperor Alexios Komnenos, Harold Godwinson, it goes on and on.
These nobles were often a warrior caste, or near to being one, and whatever else may be said of them (how many 'commoner' lives they would sacrifice for their own convenience and glory, for example), "Unwilling to face danger" usually isn't one of them. They're brought up, not unlike what modern fascists have tried to do, in a society that glorifies death and danger.
Ultimately this is all nitpicking and me being quarrelsome about a small detail, lol, but I enjoy such details.
I'm just going to reiterate this for no apparent reason:
Propaganda by strongman fascists.
There is a VERY big difference between "nobles of a warrior caste" and "people who fight and die in a war". yes, danger exists. Zelenskyy could die from a sudden mortar strike or a sniper any time he is visiting the troops. But every possible precaution is taken to ensure that doesn't happen.
Which gets back to the reality of it. This is, and always has been, theater. Sometimes it is a politician trying to show that they care about the troops. Other times it is a strongman trying to show that they are a warrior and might makes right so support them.
But all fixating on this does is lead to photo ops and stupidity where fascists (like netanyahu) portray themselves as warriors and veterans so that people will support them.
Because, bare minimum: Being good at ending some lives doesn't make you a good leader.
You seem very insistent on interpreting millenia of history through the lense of an early 20th century political movement.
Yes there has likely always been an element of theatre and leaders exagerating their role in battles, but to claim that nobility/monarchs never came from warrior castes that were active in fighting flies in the face of huge amounts of scholarship. It hasnt been true in industrialised societies since the 18th century at least but that doesnt mean it never was.
“The Nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.”
– Thucydides