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China has positioned itself as the main car supplier in Mexico, with exports reaching $4.6 billion in 2023, according to data from Mexico's Secretariat of Economy.

The Chinese automaker BYD surpassed Honda and Nissan to position itself as the seventh largest automaker in the world by number of units sold during the April to June quarter. This growth was driven by increased demand for its affordable electric vehicles, according to data from automakers and research firm MarkLines.

The company's new vehicle sales rose 40 percent year over year to 980,000 units in the quarter—the same quarter wherein most major automakers, including Toyota and Volkswagen, experienced a decline in sales. Much of BYD's growth is attributed to its overseas sales, which nearly tripled in the past year to 105,000 units. Now BYD is considering locating its new auto plant in three Mexican states: Durango, Jalisco, and Nuevo Leon.

Foreign investment would be an economic boost for Mexico. The company has claimed that a plant there would create about 10,000 jobs. A Tesla competitor, BYD markets its Dolphin Mini model in Mexico for about 398,800 pesos—about $21,300 dollars—a little more than half the price of the cheapest Tesla model.

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That tariff-free access is part of the US-Mexico-Canada Agreement (T-MEC), an updated version of the North American Free Trade Agreement that, as of 2018, eliminated tariffs on many products traded between the North American countries. Under the treaty, if a foreign automotive company that manufactures vehicles in Canada or Mexico can demonstrate that the materials used are locally sourced, its products can be exported to the United States virtually duty-free.

MAGA strikes again

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (54 children)

The main problem with BYD cars is that they are heavily subsidizing by the Chinese government.

If you remove those subsidies then those cars aren’t going to be very competitive. But the problem would be that by the time the Chinese government stopped subsidies, there wouldn’t be any competition left.

Our best ways to counteract this would either be through heavy tariffs or by subsidizing our own companies in the west.

MAGA wants to do the tariffs route which is basically a bandaid solution that would prevent the Chinese companies from owning the US market but it wouldn’t do anything outside of that. Plus it doesn’t solve is being competitive, it’s just covering its ears and “lalala”’ing the issue for later generations to deal with it. Which honestly, that tracks for basically their whole platform.

If you do the subsidies route though, we’d have to make sure we’re not just constantly lining Musk’s pockets but Tesla is the company has the biggest head start. And Musk is a PoS but the devil’s credit is that our EV market wouldn’t exist without Tesla.

IMO, we need to diversify our EV makers and help provide the capital to bootstrap it. And while that’s happening we need to not let cheap Chinese cars flood the market to undercut any chance we have. So basically we need a combination of both solutions.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hmm.

So beat them to it, and corner the EV market with affordable domestic models.

Seems like a pretty simple solution to me.

I wonder how soon all EVs will be heavily marked up in order to support ~~politicians need for more bribe money~~ "essential petroleum industry", regardless of country of origin

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

IMO, they should allow Chinese vehicles under a certain weight. Leave some protectionism while forcing the market to adjust downwards

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Keep them China trucks out!!! Gimme my ‘Merica truck!

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I would be more than happy to drive a $15000 electric car.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Honestly, If the cars pass NHTSA regulations, don’t phone home info to China or BYD, and are inexpensive and not just cheap disposable vehicles, bring ‘em in! I want an inexpensive EV for commuting. It’s not crazy far, and I don’t care about bells and whistles. I just want to make it back and forth reliably and in one piece and I feel like that’s a huge portion of the population.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Capitalism you jealous hoe-oore

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

How is this a "MAGA strikes again"? I'm legitimately asking.

Manufacturing has moved to China to reduce costs for decades, NAFTA was signed in the 90s, car companies have been using that to make cars for the US market with cheaper labor from Mexico since its inception. The tariffs on Chinese EVs are the work of the current administration.

Sometimes things happen because of the entire system, not because of one asshole falling out of a coconut tree

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Because apparently it's a problem only when a Chinese company does it. There are no problems at all when it's GM, Toyota or Ford moving factories from the USA to Mexico for cost cutting reasons

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Other automakers should try producing $21,000 LiFePO4 EV hatchbacks with a 250 mile range instead of cranking out $50,000 EVs with a bunch of ADAS crap that most people don't care about.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (8 children)

i cant wait to fuck american automakers over by buying a cheap, higher quality chinese ev. i dont care how much it costs, it will be worth it to thumb my nose at that shitty fucking industry.

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