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I hope this is relevant for this community, because I don’t know where else to post this. I’m honestly scared to post it anywhere else.

I live in Eastern Europe. I’m a university student, and recently, we got an American exchange student. They’re a very outspoken liberal.

A few days ago, we took them out with a few mates out for beers (they’re under 21, so they didn’t drink, even though you can here if you’re at least 18) to break the ice and make them feel comfortable. We got talking and because I’ve never been to the US, I asked them what I thought was an innocuous question. For some context, I’ve been a communist for a very long time, and joined the communist party the day I turned 18.

I basically asked them: Why would I vote for Harris? How would that improve the situation in the US and abroad? I’m not too familiar with her, but her politics don’t seem too appealing, especially her support for Israel and her incarceration background.

That made them launch into a screaming rant about how I’m a conservative for doubting her abilities and deserve to be jailed for wanting to infringe on the rights of women. There were a few more insults targeted at me for asking that question, I didn’t really understand them. The entire time, I was not even saying anything, I was honestly too shocked to react, but they just kept screaming until they got up and stormed out in a rage after calling me a Trump supporter, misogynist, and a fascist. My mates were equally confused. We tried to figure it out, but everyone is equally stumped.

I’ve been thinking about that entire situation for a couple days, and I’m so confused about their reaction. They even refuse to speak to me now.

What have I done wrong? Can someone please explain? ☹️ I really don’t understand what happened. We have liberals here of course, but even the worst ones never behave like this.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Liberals have excess valence Hitler particles, which makes them unstable and highly reactive

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Pocketfish did nothing wrong.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When you believe you're working to save the world, you come to think that anyone who opposes you is a fool and react thusly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

But we are actually saving the world and are completely justified in thinking anyone who opposes us is a fool... right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

No, not a fool. What communism oppose isn't some misguided evildoers, that's an entire ruling class working in their own interests, regardless how they see it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Is this bait?

Edit: not that I don't think liberals can be absolutely insane, but calling you a trump supporter when you aren't even American is too on the nose

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

My Dad is a Blue MAGA guy, and yes he refers to people he doesn’t like as Trump supporters sometimes, even out of political settings. Like if someone is on a motorcycle and it’s kinda loud, he’ll basically be like “hm probably a Trump supporter” or he’ll say it about St Louis Cardinals fans, but that one is actually pretty believable

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

It's not uncommon for Americans to think the world revolves around them.

It is also not uncommon for people interested in politic all over the world to have an opinion about American politics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It’s not that people here support Trump. The American called me a Trump supporter.

I also don’t understand why this would be bait?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

While I understand your reasoning, there are actual non-Americans who support Trump. Are they rare? Sure, but they do exist and it’s as weird as you would think.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Im an European, and I would like to Trump get to the office for one simple reason: He was the only US president when no new armed conflicts emerged, most in fact quieted down - even Ukraine during the time he was in office calmed down for some time. North Korea calmed down, the middle east calmed down, even the Abraham accords was created.

If I could, I would support him just for that reason. I dont care if he is a buffoon, if it means less conflicts globally...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Agreed, with the caveat regarding the Abraham accords- because seriously, that wasn't a positive thing. The MENA region was calmer overall perhaps, but the stage was being set for the industrial scale genocide going on today (not that the Zionists weren't committing genocide continuously prior to this- or that any other POTUS would have not also been just as bad).

I don't think anyone should support Trump in a similar vein to how a choice between Hitler, Goebbels, and/or even Churchill would be no choice at all- but I'd say that in pretty much every way that matters, Trump was better for the world at large than the "Biden" regime (which itself is just a return to the bipartisan global destabilization and genocidal encroachment policy that the US had been following for decades up to Obama, before Trump's bad optics and lesser hawkishness threw a wrench in the works.

Hell, I'd even say he was probably better in most ways domestically as well (as an outsider looking in). The second he left, it seems half of the US (and pretty much all of the broader west) or more turned right back from performative hysteria over the business-as-usual fascism inherent in the system, to stepford smiler-style willfull ignorance and complete denial of reality once again (with an added bonus of warmongering suicidality and somehow accelerating the fascist spiral even more while pretending things had never been as good or progressive).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

All true believer liberals are, ever notice that the biggest political party in america is 'undecided'?

The deranged nature of american liberalism isnt lost on them either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

They act like the entire world is USA, thinks like them and has the exact same mindset and point of view as them, that's why you'll see bullshit about 4th July or elections from a country on the other side of the planet every single time even if you're from Transnistria, Zimbabwe or Nauru. And they get extremely offended when you insult their war criminals, cops in this case, genocidal maniacs or slave owners(depending on whom you're talking about) since they're their national heroes and have a cult of personality but literally. Same thing with their shitty ass-wiper flag. This mentality is exclusive to them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

wait is this for real? they sound like a CIA bot. they are brainwashed. the US has the best propaganda in the world and definitely the largest propaganda budget.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Highly recommend you read Masses, Elites, and Rebels. I was just corrected myself on the topic of brainwashing the other day by some people here. They are not a brainwashed CIA bot, they are a beneficiary of imperialism who latched onto propaganda as a means of justifying their place in the world and their continued inaction.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because most Americans have been fooled into thinking that all possible scenarios in politics are found by the two parties, as right as humanly possible are the Republicans and left as humanly possible are the Democrats with “moderates”* in between…

So any attack on Kamala means that you are literally MAGA.

  • “American moderates” tend to know absolutely nothing whatsoever about politics. These people don’t even watch the news or follow politics at all but usually vote because they’re bored or some misplaced feeling of civic duty.
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You could post this in c/askchapo or lemmygrads question comm, for future reference. As others have said, here is fine too.

This reads to me like there was some context left out (I assume be accident), possibly communication difficulties that you weren't aware of. I really need to think there were other things said or maybe wording that implied something you didn't mean, or something like that, because it's a very unnatural reaction.

If what you relayed is the full and accurate picture, the person you are talking to is hopelessly unstable and you did nothing wrong. In the future, to avoid stepping on landmines, it would probably be good to start with some less challenging questions to see how they respond before you give them a prompt as heavy as what you gave. A lot of people aren't ready to be given such a challenge so abruptly, and might feel like they've been ambushed or "put on the spot".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I gave pretty much all the context. We were sitting at a pub, they has a Harris pin and were very political from the get go. Very excited to share their political beliefs. So that’s what lead me to asking that question. It seemed like fair game with all the political messaging

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Alright, yeah, they're just really unstable then.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

LMAO, they're so open about their politics until somebody disagrees with them. Classic blue maga delusion

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You haven't done anything wrong. American hardcore liberals are genuinely the worst kind of person, perhaps even worse than the typical fascists due to their hysterical, performative, deranged faux-progressive fascism and holier-than-thou attitude, all of which combines to create a monstrosity that is incapable of relating to other human beings in a decent manner the second they are met with anything but subservient agreement.

If it helps, their antics will probably ensure that they get a place by the wall regardless of what comes next, whether it be socialism or barbarism, if they keep it up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Hitler-Than-Thou

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I will add something I haven't seen here that may help.

First off, you're in the right.

It's possible that the wording and tone you used were different than this person usually deals with. Eastern Europeans in my experience are much more direct, in a way that can come off as aggressive- to Americans. Many if not most Americans are not used to this, they're much more passive-aggressive, are used to changing up their word choice and tone with different audiences and subject matters, often trying to avoid confrontation. So saying your thoughts clearly to them may have actually seemed like you were attacking their beliefs. Challenging someone's thought processes, especially around politics, is something Americans often don't deal with outside of confrontation. You're not supposed to think about that, you feel right or wrong. Interrogating what you believe to attempt to come up with a better political view is never spoken of here in the mainstream, that's a very foreign concept I usually only see in leftists, go figure. Of course there are still many Americans that aren't like this, but I thought I'd offer this up as a possibility.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cold-war propaganda that is fundamentally integrated into mainstream American culture that associates anything left of bombing the middle-east and lukewarm, meaningless platitudes is going to destroy the very fabric of the nation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

anything left of bombing the middle-east and lukewarm, meaningless platitudes is going to destroy the very fabric of the nation.

well let's get on with it then!

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