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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Alternative punchline: "we think we're dark souls and you'll die to random shit thrown at you off screen".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Metro did this right, both you and your enemies can be killed in one to two shots, making combat tense and rewarding.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's pretty hard to make levels of difficulty that actually change things enough outside of either giving the enemies more damage and HP or simply adding more enemies, or in scored games having higher score thresholds for higher ranks (these can be anything from an actual score to the speed you finished and everything in between that's basically just a number that you can compare to another number).

It certainly can be done, though. I can't help but think about the bots in counter-strike. They range from braindead drooling moving targets to Terminator machines that can 1 tap you with a pistol from across the map. They actually have a difficulty scale that's more than simply being tougher to kill and hurting you more. It affects how they move around, the speed they begin shooting, their accuracy, etc. I don't know why these kind of bots do not extend to pretty much any game with enemies. Just give them 3 sets of behavior that makes them easier or harder to deal with.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I remember the Command and Conquer games, namely Tiberium Wars and Kane's Wraith. You could set the bot behavior and difficulty. Also, when the difficulty was set to brutal, the bot would have all the limits removed and would start the game with double the money the player had. Even tho this is a rts game, I think it's a good example of how to make bots if devs are given the time and there is an effort for something more.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Goldeneye and its spiritual sequel Perfect Dark (my favorite game of all time) do this varying AI skill thing along with the mission objectives expanding across difficulties. An argument can be made against it because someone playing on "easy" doesn't really experience the whole game but it's also cool to replay levels on a higher difficulty where the map is larger or you're interacting with more things or you're starting in a different location.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

It depends on the genre of course because of the mechanics in play. Sure, FPS with bots are hard but a lot of genres are as challenging because the mechanics usually surround mostly running and gunning with bots (if you're playing with bots). Making the 'AI better' is going to be extremely difficult, especially when balancing resources out for your minimum requirements.

But for say an 3D action game, enemy ambushes, tougher environmental challenges, harder puzzles, more platforming, increase gear rarity for 'normal' gear and stuff can add a real challenge. Bullet sponges seems like the path of least resistance to development time. Especially if the 3D action game is single player.

Counter-strike specifically is a tough one because what other mechanics can be involved in it? In the original CS:S there were actual environmental concerns like you could shoot off boards on the rope bridge denying that path. When it released, the rope bridge was static and was always there. I'd imagine this was due to resources on the physics vs. 31 other players having to have a reasonable sync with the server and their updates.

Battlefield has done this over the years but instead of making it really dynamic it has been fairly static, even if it changes the map, it always does it the same way. Blow up a building in BF:BC2? The walls will always fall the same way and the destruction will always be the same, so it's like a state on or off update for that location for everyone. BF3 which was newer seemed to have even fewer instances where this could happen as just an example but they also doubled the player count. There have been other games that have done more dynamic updates but every engine, fidelity, language, updates/ticks expectations are all different.

Not every genre or game has to be focused on just your targets. The more mechanics that are offered or can be offered are going to be different but certainly, it seems like many games still do not take advantage of that even though they could.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

In a game where you can dodge attacks 2x damage makes a lot more sense than 2x health. They could also just increase game speed by 10-20% to make everything more chaotic. More enemies + more drops also works pretty well IMO but a sponge just makes everything take sooooo long. RPGs already often have long battles that can take 10 minutes and making the 20 where you use up all consumables, ammo etc is just bad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Ghost of Tsushima on Lethal is perfect

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Castle crashers was my first experience with this. Atleast they added some new boss mechanics though

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

When the game is:

Normal mode - made for the absolute lowest common denominator, every challenge is overcome in seconds before you understand what the intended solution was

And

Hard mode - the intented challenge to normal happens 1 pico second in, you now have to solve 20 combinations of different challenges. Not because it's difficult, because the developers want you to die over and over and over until you understand all combinations enough.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Surprisingly, in COD (at least bo2 & 3) enemies get more and more "abilities" the higher you set the difficulty (this means, grenades, better accuracy, use of special equipment, higher burst rates)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You have to beat the game first to unlock it but I love the realism mode in jedi survivor. Lightsabers actually kill like in the movies, but get shot maybe 2x and you're dead.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is how harder difficulties should be. You have lower HP, but so does the enemy, forcing both parties to think things through before running in guns a'blazing. If you have to make enemies bullet sponges in order to increase the difficulty, then your AI programming is bad and you should feel bad.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Modern fallout games do difficulty badly. Walked up to one of those boomer guys in fo:NV , he gave me some shit, so I shot him in the face with a revolver. He didn't fall over dead.

I got a bunch of mods to make everyone a lot more of a glass cannon, but made power armor very effective (and other armor somewhat so). Was a lot more fun. But also there was a lot more reloading because, like, sometimes a baddie would get the drop on me and I'd be dead from two shots.

Still more fun than sponges everywhere

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

try fo4 survival mode. you can actually die from a bloatfly swarm if you arent careful, but can also eliminate an entire raider base with 1 well place molotov cocktail

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If a game deals with difficulty with this method, I'll probably end up using cheats in the easiest gaming mode. Hopefully the story won't suck.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I like XCOM for that. They designed the game around the hard mode and made it easier for the other modes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I totally agree. It's one thing to just decrease the enemy health, but you can decrease their damage or aim like stormtroopers. On top of that, research, recovery, and build times can be decreased or resource costs and income adjusted. There are so many ways to make the game easier or harder.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think the comic is contextually true. What really irks me are games designed to be quick, fast paced and aggressive, stop you dead in your tracks. An example is the Battle Toads reboot (which is great, play it) has these enemies that have shields or you can't hurt them until after they've done their thing, slows down an otherwise fast and fun beat em up. Another is DOOM Eternal, a game where you're running at Crack addict speed, and then they put in this dude with a shield that reflects your whole way of doing damage. Really jarring to have that speed bump in your experience. It's for sure a great game, but I think a poor design decision to make the enemy work this way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you're hitting on a slightly broader problem. Any game where combat is the major mechanic shouldn't have a situation where you can't do any damage for any extended amount of time. The Yakuza series handles this well, enemies can block, but the moment they do you have attacks that can break the block immediately, and start damaging again. (Or you can skill up to that that attack.) As the game goes on, it gets more intricate, different enemies have different blocks that require different moves to break. The player character also has different fighting styles that have different block breaking moves that you have to keep track of, but if you know what you're doing, you can break almost ANY block with one move.

Far far too many other games decide to arbitrarily create a mechanic where you can't do any damage for a WHILE. It's either the invincible enemy that you just have to spend 3 minutes dodging, which is boring and miserable in both action and even turn based RPG battles. Or they have a shield that you have to do some elaborate and rhythm breaking routine to remove the shield. It's a miserable slog whenever they do that kind of thing. Back in the early 2000s The second game of the Xenosaga trilogy changed the entire combat design and added the thing I hate most, the RPG stagger. You can do no appreciable damage to any thing in the game until you figure out what combination of attacks cause a stagger. It could be a three move sequence involving two characters that has to be done in the right order, or woops! Start all over. If you didn't give one of your characters a specific ability or attack during leveling, screw you, you're basically fucked.

The players, rightfully, rejected that crap then and they got rid of it for the third game. Now, it's everywhere. Every RPG I've played recently has that crap. I finally just put down FFVII Rebirth half way through and said, screw this, because it was so exhausting and miserable. Every battle becomes the equivalent of getting on a non-working escalator and your body still jerks because you think you're going to start moving. I hate this trend and it's everywhere as developers think, "this battle isn't bossy enough." "Add a stagger mechanic to make it last longer" "Brilliant old chap."

I don't know what disease is moving through the game development community that boss battles, especially, have to be a certain length. Is this a marketing thing? Is this being handed down from the publishing execs? FFXVI had 20-25 minute battles towards the end that were just repetitive dodging and a kaleidoscope of flashing lights. I could have just had a gummy and watched an old screensaver and it would be more memorable and less annoying.

Okay, I'm done complaining, but the long battle for no reason other than to make it feel like a boss, is, I think, an extension of the collect-a-thon, open world, sandbox mentality that just adds superfluous crap so they can say "This game is 44% larger than the last game we made, and will take you 215 hours to complete!" Who cares if it sucks?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well said, although I haven't played Yakuza, I think having enemy depth through their mechanics, while giving the player space to solve the challenge, is good gameplay. This is different from "well they're invincible for now and you just need to deal with it." Some games this is appropriate, maybe like Fear and Hunger, but definitely not when the positive experience centers around dealing damage.

Totally resonate with the FF rebirth experience. Although I think the game altogether as one piece is good and I finished it, I have a laundry list of complaints. I generally like the combat system but the challenge fights towards the end are just nonsense. You spent time investing in your teams abilities, but it boils down to enemies that don't take damage, or get staggered (even from your ATB abilities) and then one shot your team mates just because you weren't in control of them. Don't even get me started on the Odin fight. It also feels really bad to slash at something as Cloud, and his sword just bounces off and he's useless for 3 seconds.

As an aside, XVI seems to be well reviewed and liked by people but I just didn't find it all that satisfying, I have yet to finish it even though I'm at the last act.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

It's interesting that we had reverse experiences regarding the recent FF titles. I think for me, it was because I played them very close to each other, and I probably would have been fed up by halfway through whichever one I played second. My gaming buddy mostly really liked Rebirth.

But they both had a slightly different version of this same issue, and my tolerance was pretty low by the time I got to Rebirth.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Another is DOOM Eternal, a game where you’re running at Crack addict speed, and then they put in this dude with a shield that reflects your whole way of doing damage.

Marauders? I actually kind of like them, they provide a new kind of threat that you can't just run over by unloading your weapons and quick swapping the gauss rifle. That said, fighting more than one at a time really does suck.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I kinda disagree with your DOOM statement. I assume you're talking about the Carcass or the shield zombies. They may stop your momentum when you first encounter them, but the game (for me) is all about recognizing each enemy in a flash and quickly dispatching them. It's not like the shield is super hard to bust for the zombies, just a few plasma rifle shots and they blow up the nearby zombies too. For the carcass, a quick blood punch will one-shot them. Once you're able to recognize the enemies and their weaknesses at a glance, they become part of your momentum, instead of stopping it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I appreciate the advice, but I'm talking about the Marauder. I think tankier enemies in doom make it more interesting but the Marauder just has this "no, it's my turn and you will wait for me to do my thing" energy. Just kind of stops you, when you should be continuing to have fun. I think you can balance powerful enemies while maintaining player agency.

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