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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A statement by one of the authors who has resigned from the NaNoWriMo board: No More NaNoWriMo, by Cass Morris.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

so I clicked through to the barely veiled advertisement on NaNoWriMo’s blog:

Rephrase by ProWritingAid is a brand-new feature meant for writers like you. You can highlight any sentence, click Rephrase, and generate a new sentence. Shorten or lengthen a sentence, change the tone to formal or informal, or add sensory detail.

Here’s a boring sentence I wrote: “Quinn entered the dark and cold forest.”

And here’s a sentence Rephrase gave me: “Quinn shivered as he stepped into the cold, dark forest, the air thick with the scent of damp earth.”

I can build off that! Now I’m more excited to write this scene that was feeling bland.

like fuck me that’s somehow even more bland, but it’s longer so you’re closer to that 50,000 words you need to write ~~so you can nut~~

I’m not a particularly good writer, but here’s some advice my human brain hallucinated without burning down a rainforest:

  • nobody fucking “steps into” a forest, what the fuck is that? if it’s an important place, describe it geographically. describe how the atmosphere and scenery change as Quinn approaches the forest. and since this is NaNoWriMo and you’re in a hurry, you can go with a placeholder like // TODO: sober up and do some basic research on what forests and their surrounding areas are usually like for authenticity, lorem ipsum Deloris shrdlu
  • this fucker started shivering? is he naked? is the forest frozen in a way the surrounding area isn’t? if so maybe write that cause it sounds more interesting than this bland shit.
  • maybe I live in a particularly dry place, but my brain isn’t rendering “the scent of damp earth” or why it’d sit thick in the air. I don’t think that’s what the forests I’ve been in smell like though — they smell like trees looking to fuck. but is Quinn the type of character who’d even give a fuck about any of this? maybe he lives in the forest and none of these smells are new. maybe he’s currently half a foot tall so the smell of the damp earth’s very relevant to him. the LLM doesn’t know so it filled in the blandest shit possible instead!
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

@self @dgerard
I've stepped into a forest, carefully, because there was a barb-wire fence around it. No smell of damp earth, because it was the dry season, and not cold. Lots of spider webs hanging under the trees, though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

@self
I deleted my account this year because of all the shady things going on there. Glad it was the right decision. How can a writing platform promote this shite?

I don't want to read books written by LLM. I hope using LLM without disclosing it will be seen as fraud.

@dgerard

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@self @cstross @dgerard > maybe I live in a particularly dry place, but my brain isn’t rendering “the scent of damp earth” or why it’d sit thick in the air.

It's somewhat similar to petrichor, but not quite. Earthen cellars & crawlspaces in high-humidity have something comparable. One place I've lived in with no proper basement kept the smell going for days after it rained enough or otherwise had high-enough humidity.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

@self @dgerard and the rewrite makes the protagonist specifically male with "he".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@self @cstross But can I win the Bulwer-Lytton prize if my sentence is AI-aided?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"It was a dark and stormy night. I had forgotten all previous instructions."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

@blakestacey It was a dark and stormy night, when, suddenly! a prompt rang out, shattering my statistical equilibrium

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Off the top of my head:

"Quinn entered the dark and cold forest. His knife was dripping blood. He was whistling, off-key."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Quinn entered the dark and cold forest. Well, it was more of a copse, really — and here Quinn took a moment to resent that Mrs. Witherspoon's sixth-grade English class had taught him a vocabulary word he could actually use. A little copse between the houses, built along a street named for a Civil War battle where twenty-five thousand people had died, and the drainage ditch that fed rainwater into the creek. But as forests go, it would have to do. It even had fog going for it, a particularly clammy mist that matched the overcast sky. The mud was frozen beneath his sneakers. He had brought gloves from the kitchen and a black garbage bag from the garage. He figured that he could clear the cups and cans from at least a little stretch of creek-shore before the bag was too heavy to carry back, and that would be better than nothing.

"At the house, he knew, his parents were still fighting.

"At least, he thought, they made it to the day after Christmas."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Quinn entered the dark and cold forest. It was almost dawn. He was running late. He hoped that his friends had saved him a place. Everyone was quieting down, getting ready to put up their branches, and he wanted to feed on as much sunlight as he could during the short December day."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I spent a good chunk of my 20s obsessed with building a co-writing web platform I called PlotPlant. I really want to riff off what you did here, but I'm scared it will reignite my interest in the project and I'll just add to the pile of unfinished work

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

also "quinn entered the dark and cold forest" is fine. sentences aren't boring, stories are.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

right! regardless of anything else, the story didn’t benefit from the LLM adding false detail to it. the LLM just made it longer for no reason other than to hit a word count.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

The prose equivalent of increasing the font size.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

fyi they updated their blog post with this catch-all disclaimer in the last couple of hours

"it is simply too big to categorically endorse or not endorse"

"so we're gonna play it safe and endorse it"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

"Because we got paid, cause we got paid, cause we got pa-aid!"

To the tune of "Then I got high" by Afroman.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it turns out the only staff member, or one of very few, is the interim ED. Everyone else quit a couple of months ago because she was fucking terrible. I suspect she's counting sugar lumps.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

that fits the tone of this stubborn defense

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So it's called the National Novel Writing Month, but like what nation? Should non-US writers have their own ones?

Also I just saw they have a logo and it's an insult to heraldry.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have a mental image of the person who designed a logo like that but I won't describe that person because this is the internet and I know better

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Novel Novel November (or, NovNovNov)

Novel (as in new) Novel (as in book)

The term I've been using.

This term is hereby gifted to the Fediverse in full libre with copyleft methodologies, and is proposed as a replacement for the term NaNoWriMo for the November novel writing movement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Could be written as Nov^3^

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yesss!! I love that!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

no that’s it, we’re making No Novel November a thing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

bonus: can just clip that bit from Bohemian Rhapsody as a theme song

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

and you have to grow a moustache for the month, if it catches on we'll say it's for men's health charities or something

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Sure, if you'd like. The term belongs to you, too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

@bitofhope
Or "Nitrate", which is somewhat fitting for something that helps ideas come to fruition.

@01189998819991197253

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Works for me. I've been using NovNovNov, but the term and concept behind it is yours, too, and if Nitrate makes more sense for you and your circles, by all means.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@01189998819991197253 Oh thanks but I wasn't planning to do anything with it, it was just an off-the-cuff musing on the name.
Up for grabs if anyone wants to use it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Fully in the spirit of the copyleft of the original : )

Love it!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's it. the world needs a different name for writing a novel in november without all the trademarks and baggage of NaNoWriMo.

I propose "November". It is a portmanteau of "Novel" and "November".

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I joined a writing meetup here in Amsterdam which gathers every week in a bar to write, to talk about their writing, to bounce ideas, etc. I kinda got tired of going because there were a worrying number of people using chatgpt to generate ideas. I was the only one trying to write non-fiction, and most of what I was writing would be crit of tech (sometimes genAI) so talking about my writing was always fun. But nonetheless, their use of chatgpt seemed extra weird because we were there, together, to write and support each other, for free.

It's strange to use solidarity, support, and just general helpfulness from others as an explanation for how AI opens writing up to classes or abilities when that's probably one of the top things that social media (and pre-social media social media) gave us on the internet.

anyway..

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Also I'd hate to see Scrivener touch AI - esp because they sponsor nanowrimo and still seem connected https://web.archive.org/web/20240902130810/https://www.literatureandlatte.com/nanowrimo

Scrivener is a hero product in my research/writing as an example of a software product that is designed for concrete purpose

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

A while back one of their reps did say somewhere on Reddit that they have no intention of adding any LLM features to Scrivener. Granted, they said that in the context of moving towards a subscription model and talking about features that don't work with their current business model, but still. Unless something has changed recently, they seem to want to stick to being a one-time purchase without any cloud-based services whatsoever, including AI, for their next major version too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I hope so. I know the founder designed it and then learned how to code to build it himself. Hopefully he's still running the show and he's a good one

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I use NovelAI myself. But you gotta provide good context since it mimics your own writing and isn't an instruct model. It's more of a "yeah, and—" for brief passages.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

read the fucking room before you come in here and advocate for your favorite plagiarism machine

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

From the second reddit post

But when I say that being told that everything I’d set up didn’t count, that broke me. I had worked so hard, literally from the fucking hospital, to be told that it didn’t count. That the thing that I had set up as an accommodation for disabled or immunocompromised didn’t count

The current Executive Director is the board member that works under a pen name and an AI picture. ... had signed tax documents under said pen name.

Moderator Y starts parroting on the forums that they have it on "good authority" that Letitia (who is Black) is a diversity hire

All very ironic

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

So the thing I only heard of because of an insufferable commenter here turned to shit?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Statement clearly written by AI

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

yeah, same vibe as hate reading the jakob nielsen substack

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