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Hi all, I'm one of the mods that apparently caused lemmy.world to melt down for two weeks. It's a lovely sunny Sunday arvo, and I'd much rather go catch the last rays of sun in my garden than write about mod drama. Alas, I must have sinned in a past life.

Today the lemmy.world admins made a follow up post about the incident where the admin Rooki interfered with moderation of this community in a way which was determined to be against lemmy.world TOS and factually incorrect. Throughout this incident there has been no communication with me, nor to my knowledge any of of the other moderators of this community. Rooki quitely undid his actions and edited his post to admit fault however there was no public acknowledgement of this from him. In fact I wasn't even told I was reinstated as a mod which is quite funny.

The lemmy.world admins' response appears more focused on managing their own reputations and justifying similar actions in the future than providing a good environment for vegans, and other similarly maligned groups. Their statements about wanting to handle misinformation and overreach better in the future ring a bit hollow when they won't take actions to address the anti-vegan circlejerks under their update posts which abound with misinformation and disinformation.

The legalese written basically allows for the same thing to happen, and that if it does the admin decision is to stand while moderators have to quietly resolve the conflict at the admins' leisure. Presumably with a similarly weak public apology and barely visible record correction after the fact.

This community already has a fairly high moderation burden, with many users coming here in bad faith and getting outraged when they are told to take it elsewhere.

I have spoken with /u/[email protected] and /u/[email protected] and we are of the opinion that given the lack of assurance that admins with an axe to grind wont interfere in the future this is no longer a space we are interested in moderating and can't in good faith recommend as a place to host a vegan community. Instead we would recommend that users come to [email protected] (note, not federated with .world, make a local account), additionally [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected] are well moderated and run.

Mods are just glorified internet janitors though, so if any current mods or users want to take over the responsibility of primary management from /u/[email protected] they are welcome to do so and should get in touch. Otherwise I think the consensus is to close this community for now.

Finally I'd just like to express gratitude for the great effort put in by the users here. In particular /u/[email protected] you are a bloody champion for trying to get a better outcome here, we all appreciate it immensely.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

additionally [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected] are well moderated and run.

Hexbear is a raging dumpster fire, ML is a smouldering dumpster fire, and your first recommendation isn't federated with the largest Lemmy instance. Not a good sign at all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you are reading about vegan stuff, why is it important that people from a us politicalmemes community can come in and tell you you're stupid?

Why is total federation necessary? vtc feds with many instances including some large ones like hexbear, dbzero, ml, and ee.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hi, naeva. Would you and Hamid consider re-federating with World? It's not just that I don't want to and probably juggle multiple accounts just for a couple communities, but moreso that segregating the main vegan sub away from the biggest instance by an order of magnitude means that it can't be seen by any of the actual good-faith LW users.

If you did, I would volunteer to be a moderator, although I understand that doesn't nearly offset the induced moderation burden. I'd volunteer to moderate here on the LW instance, but especially with the sort of undue pressure from administration being imposed on it combined with being on my own, I'm not sure that I could do it effectively.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I’d volunteer to moderate here on the LW instance,

That's nice of you, please note that moderation only completely works from the instance the community is hosted on. Reports are currently not propagated for instance

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't run vtc, and I think Hamid is probably more likely to eat his own teeth than refederate.

DBzero is federated, and a widely federated instance. The admin has a sense of humour at least so you could do worse than signing up there if you want to see world stuff.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In that case, if you're willing to reopen the LW community here, I'd moderate it. I'm sure it'd be difficult at first. I wouldn't ask you to do anything further here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Creating a new community over at [email protected] and [email protected] seems good however I would like to make recommendations against lemmy.ml and hexbear.net as they are known to host tankies and are heavily biased against anti-CCP and Russian(Putin) dissidents.

  • It seems very paradoxical to me; with the development of decentralized forums I assumed that the admins and mods would be against dictatorships but I digress

May I perhaps suggest mander.xyz and or sopuli.xyz as better alternatives?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

dbzero is federates with both. They're honestly not bad. I think there's a bit of a moral panic around them because usaians aren't used to seeing anti-usa opinions be mainstream.

The one thread I saw on hexbear about Russia for example was people lamenting how horrible it is for lgbt people there. Expressing frustration and anger at Putin's regime, and expressing frustration at the role usa policy has played in his rise and the reactionary political culture there.

you might disagree with the degree to which the usa government is responsible but that hardly seems like a community where dissent against Putin is crushed.

Idk, at any rate the vegan communities are awesome. Mander is a good instance with good users, although I think it's natural science focused and unsure if it's appropriate for a vegan community. Dunno about the other.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

That’s a great tip, those instances are absolutely biased against Western propaganda that has verifiably been proven false hundreds of times over.

However, valid criticisms of Putin’s authoritarian regime and the failures of China are absolutely up for discussion in the appropriate communities and near-universally recognized as valid by those instances.

The better question is, why are you attempting to spread blatant CIA propaganda? What even is a “tankie”? Someone that recognizes violence is necessary to end fascism?

I guess you’d consider the Allies in WW2 as “tankies” as well? Or NATO, right? Surely liberal logic is consistent and not at all a warped parroting of decades of American propaganda that is, again, easily proven to be demonstrably and objectively false?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Honestly I was hoping y'all would take this approach. As I said in my comments over there. LW truly is reddit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Solarpunk guys have made a post including info about the situation here

https://slrpnk.net/post/12925536

[email protected] could be the alternative community

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You need some time to adapt for sure

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well it doesnt work for a lot of use cases. Like opening a post link on whatever instance, in an app like jerboa.

This simply doesnt work, so the UX is really barely usable.

But I use it anyways XD

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

First time I hear about this, curious how other clients handle that

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I personally hope vegantheoryclub goes away, as one of the admins is basically a man-child, so I have blocked the instance on every single account I have.

I have a lot of limitations (food allergies) which limit me from being vegan, but I appreciate a lot of the random vegan foods that pop up here, some of which I can actually eat, because I like doing what I can against a horrendous industry. I'd even say most of my food ends up being vegan - the big thing for me is gluten, though there are others, a lot of gluten free foods are also vegan.

I also left .world due to... We'll just say downright brainless takes, so I entirely understand. Good luck whereever you folks end up!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I know exactly the person you're talking about. He deleted several of my good faith comments just because he could. I didn't have to block at least: I reposted the deleted comments until I caught a ban. Small victories.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It’s difficult dealing with LemmyWorlders as they cannot handle the facts as they just want to troll the vegan community. However it makes sense as the admin team has issues with policing cultures they do not understand. When [email protected] was federated with the instance they were so many people I had to ban because of the antivegan rhetoric. Looks like some users are too immature to be considered adults.

These people are not so different from the reactionaries they so detest, seen with them being arrogant, refusing to learn new information and to up their standards. I saw in another thread they were using false equivalences and disinformation to continue to reinforce their obsolete world view. This is why the United States is so behind in so many metrics the people think they know everything and then harass anyone they disagree with. The metric system and veganism are not scary topics Americans, go grow a brain and a spine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hello,

I followed the situation from afar, good luck with [email protected] !

note, not federated with .world, make a local account)

Having a look at the instances page, it seems you defederated, which makes sense based on the current events. Lemm.ee and SJW still seem federated, so hopefully this might give an incentive to people to migrate from LW to other instances and spread Lemmy users a bit more.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Dbzer0 as well

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for the shoutout! The power move was a clear violation on the side of Rooki. Words and other fluff aside, the new rule additions are the best indication of not only the lack of change but also doubling down on Rooki's original position, as described in further detail in my recent comments.

Once I've made the last comments and it's been a few days since the Lemmy.World announcements, I will fully migrate to lemmy.zip because of this incident, so going to my user page on here should make it easy for anyone curious about the events to get a much clearer picture.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

lemmy.zip

Good choice!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

You are a saint <3 seriously thank you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I tried to stem the disinfo in the other ootl thread, but the amount of of rage bait and general vegan hate was off the scale. Really disappointing showing by lemmings.

See you on the flipside.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Thank you. That argument with PugJ was hurtful to see.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It was quite the "here we go again with the vegans" post. Just a ton of redditors using it as a space to whine about veganism as usual.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Thank you. I saw you in the meme post getting torn to shreds. I couldn't believe how upset everybody got in spite of how tame your comments were

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, for carnist scum you were acting pretty decently ;)

Seriously though thanks, it is pretty discouraging to see hundreds of posts about how awful you/your goals are. Everyone who tried to present the actual facts and judge with an even hand has been greatly appreciated.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

People probably didn't get that you were joking

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That level of reading comprehension absolutely tracks with some of the shit I've seen written about us lately.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Maybe people didn't get the tongue-in-cheek attitude, idk

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

edit: phew, remembered to change accounts

sockpuppet! ~/s~

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

AFAIK, the lemmy.dbzer0.com one is the original :D

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