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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I have been following the DMA closely, and so far it has been a big disappointment, just as I expected.

The way the EU approaches this walled garden problem, is to try and offer ways for other competitors to tap into the user base of the bigger players instead of trying to allow all EU citizens to chat with any other EU citizen who uses META Products regardless of their host platform. meaning "us" people who wish to self host an xmpp or Matrix servers and chat with facebook friends, It won't be straight forward or entirely possible for us to do so. unless maybe by doing a KYC with META. and signing up very stringent service agreements.

Meta will be creating all sorts of hurdles the DMA laws will allow them to, to cripple interoperability, from making other plateform signing up to special permissions from Meta, to hiding interoperability settings and making them opt-in, and building a scary rhetoric why you shouldn't be allowing other people outside of META to get in contact with you. There are some valid concerns, but I suspect Meta will implement the most spiteful procedures they can get away with, then spin up a rhetoric about proving their users being massing against interoperability.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The way the EU approaches this walled garden problem, is to try and offer ways for other competitors to tap into the user base of the bigger players instead of trying to allow all EU citizens to chat with any other EU citizen who uses META Products regardless of their host platform.

Probably because of spam? I don't think you can open up all the communicators to every self hosted server there is. It would be a disaster.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I don't think I ever got spam from any jabber server even when google and Facebook were running them. You still have to opt in to messages from something. If I had to guess ,I'd guess every chat service is still an xmpp server under a surface level encryption.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's funny how a few short years ago both FB and Google ran with jabber and jingle and we were accidentally chatting between one another.

Seems they just need to roll the code back and they're set.

Makes the upcoming spite just a little more bitter.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Messages on OSX (pre-iMessage) supported ICQ and jabber too if I remember.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Yahoo and MSN too, IIRC.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm more disappointed by their decision to not consider Microsoft's Edge and Bing as core platforms, even though the former is being pushed way too hard in Windows and the later is used as part of other search engines' indexes (ie. DuckDuckGo, Kagi, Qwant)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wait, Duck Duck Go is powered by Bing?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

There are only like 4 actual search indexes online (Google, Bing, Yandex, and I can't remember the 4th), and every other search engine just uses one or more of those for results.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

stract.com has their own indexer, fully open-source.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think Baidu, Qwant, Mojeek & Brave all use fully independent indices, but there are likely more. This is excliding eg. Kagi who use a combination of their own and other indices.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I actually thought Brave still used Bing, but Mojeek was what I was trying to think of. I'm sure there are a ton more, but those 4 seem like the biggest players most metasearch engines like to use.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

brave search us the fourth

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Yep, even when bing censors something, it gets censored by DDG aswell, DDG is just a fancy proxy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I think the core platform user threshold is a sensible way to determine core platforms. I don't know if bing has so many users and what its market share is.

I think the situation with edge is different though, it should not be allowed to be forced down to windows users by bundling without allowing the user to decide which default browser to use first.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Qwant actually have their own indexer, but even then I feel like Microsoft can push their own products as they want given you are free to ignore it... It's not like there's no alternative browsers, search engine indices or operating systems, and loads of other products are built off shared technology without it being an issue that it's closed off generally

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