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What is your favourite password rule?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (5 children)

My 'favorite' password rules are incorrect rules. Recently signed up to a service, which looked like it hasn't been updated since the 90s. They sent me my password via letter, but hey, I was allowed to change it digitally.

So, I did. I set it to a reasonably long password (probably something like 22 characters), with no problems.

Then I went to login and it refused my login. I copied my password out of my password manager, for both setting it and logging in, so there was no way that it was wrong. I quadruple checked the login name, but no luck.

Eventually, I manually typed the password from my password manager. Then I saw it, their password field stopped accepting inputs after about 20 characters.
Presumably, I was able to set my long password on the registration page, but the login page did not accept this long of a password. Fucking ace.
I had to order another password letter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

As a website developer, it’s easy to just use the 'maxlength' attribute on fields you don’t want to exceed a certain length (for valid reasons or not). But then exactly this happens: A user pastes something in there, doesn’t notice that their input got truncated, and something, somewhere breaks.

'maxlength' is terrible user experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That wouldn't have been (as much of) a problem if the initial password form also truncated the input. The mismatch is the problem.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Perfect illustration of security compliance vs security.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Don't forget general filters for bad passwords. That means no part of your name, username, anything sequential, your birthday, your pets birthday, or any of the 1000 most common passwords

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Wrote this in a different thread but the way PlayStation handles this...

Password reset is limited to 30 characters. Login isn't.

That would be fine if the password rules on reset would actually mention this and not just cut off the password at 30 characters without telling you that it is too long. So I generated the password used that on reset, saved it, login wrong...

I couldn't login to my PlayStation account because my 32 characters long password saved in my bitwarden vault wasn't correct.

Even worse, on the first support request I was basically told "looks fine on our side, bye".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Fucking macOS man. No 2 repetitive or 3 consecutive, so when using a random password generator you still can’t have loads of words and have to try multiple times to get it…

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Go ahead. Make a password. Then be left to deal with the mental & emotional damage.

https://neal.fun/password-game/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"The Roman Numerals...." Is when I gave up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You didn't even get to the part where you have to hatch the egg yet? Weak.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Calm down there satan.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Password requirements so secure, eventually you go full circle to remember them and do shit like this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Your password must contain at least 62 characters, you may only use lowercase and uppercase characters and numbers. All characters and numbers must be unique and sorted alphabetically, numbers may only be ordered ascending.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Expires every X months.

I've never been super into the idea of using a password manager rather than just using complex but memorable passwords for everything, but policy like this basically necessitates using one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Unless it's the one password you actually use to login. I can't use a password manager for my Windows login.

Most people I've met simply use the same password and increment one number somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Or several numbers if it can't be too similar to a previous password.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

My favourite: No uppercase. No numbers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

The good old NTLM rule of max 8 characters and all converted to uppercase. It was a simple rule and if you forgot your password you could easily bruteforce it with normal consumer hardware.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I just had to make a password for a hotel.

8 to 20 characters Uppercase Lowercase Digits OR special characters.

The capitalized OR is important. You can have either numbers in the password, or special characters, BUT NOT BOTH.

Took me 8 tries.

  • First one was too long.
  • Second and third used both numbers and characters, but I thought the characters were TOO special.
  • 4 through 6 used both numbers and special characters.
  • Seventh password used just letters and numbers, and it was accepted.
  • Eighth try I used just letters and keyboard characters, and that was accepted too.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The best part to me is that they include all of these rules to increase the security, but then set a maximum length of the password, which from my understanding is the easiest way to add complexity/security to a password.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maximum length is the biggest red flag to me and was the catalyst for me making the effort to switch to unique passwords per-account years ago. There's just so, so many shitty homerolled security systems out there... and data breaches seem to be a perennial problem these days.

There's just no excuse for limiting the length if you're doing security correctly (other than perhaps a large upper limit just to protect against someone DOSing the backend with a bunch of 100MB strings; 512 characters seems reasonable).

By setting an upper limit, you're basically saying one or more of these things:

  • We store your password in plaintext
  • We store a hash but our hashing function has an unnecessarily arbitrarily limited input size
  • The person/team implementing the backend has no idea what they're doing and/or just copy pasted login code from stack overflow
  • We tried to get away with minimal password requirements but some middle manager wouldn't rubber stamp it without arbitrary_list_of_bs
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

My senior project for uni was replacing the professor's friend's website. We had a meeting to gather requirements, have him demo the site as different kinds of users, etc. Dude said "Hold on a sec" and went to a page with all accounts and their passwords listed. Was like, dude, the hell

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The actual funny (or sad) thing about this: even without a length limit all they do is make the password less secure because every constraint just reduces the possible password space.

As someone who generates every password with a password manager those sites are a pain in the ass because you have to somehow get these constraints into the generator.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Keepass deals with this fairly well. It remembers the restrictions from the previous password.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Requirement: Needs special characters

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I like my special littlev̵̂̊̅͌͜ó̶͎̫̜̘̲̭̪̯̔̎̊́̽̒̄̄̕i̸̼̠͓̥̬̙͉͋̿́d̷̨̗̼̖̦͇̲͑̀̈́̔̿̌characters :(

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They display just fine for on Voyager

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I'm using Voyager too and the unfathomable text isn't rendering properly either. Voyager version 2.17.0 (Android)

https://files.catbox.moe/bm83zu.png

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I have the same version on the same os

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

They display correctly for that version of Voyager on iOS.

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