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No Palestinian Americans Will Speak at Convention, DNC Decides (theintercept.com)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Democratic National Convention officials rejected a request to allow Palestinian Americans to speak from the conference’s main stage. In protest of that decision, a group of “Uncommitted” delegates critical of the party’s stance on the war, staged a sit-in in front of the United Center Wednesday evening as party leaders continued speaking inside

DNC organizers did not comment on the record on their decision to exclude Palestinian American speakers from the main stage at the four-day convention.

Earlier this month, they had suggested as a speaker Dr. Tanya Haj-Hassan, a pediatric intensive care physician who most recently treated patients in Gaza with the nonprofit Medical Aid for Palestinians. Delegates also proposed a number of Palestinian American elected officials to DNC officials. Until Wednesday, Uncommitted members had expressed that negotiations with the DNC had proceeded in good faith.

As the party coalesced support around Harris in recent months, delegates committed to Harris also joined the Uncommitted movement’s push for a ceasefire and change in Israel policy. At least 200 Harris delegates signed a pledge pushing the administration to secure a permanent ceasefire in Gaza. Harris has called for a ceasefire and the protection of civilians in Gaza, though it’s not yet clear whether her administration would adopt a policy toward Israel that differs from Biden’s.

Among the Harris delegates opposing U.S. support for Israel’s war in Gaza were several who unfurled a banner during Biden’s speech on Monday with the message, “Stop Arming Israel.” Other delegates seated around them responded by hitting and blocking them with “We Love Joe” signs and eventually snatched the banner away. Delegate Nadia Ahmad filed a complaint with Chicago Police on Wednesday alleging that she was the victim of simple battery.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

DNC speeches about inclusion and unity fall flat when they don't practice it at the DNC of all places.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Their voters are (somehow) split on that issue, so understandable they don't want to highlight a weakness during their convention. There's plenty of other issues that Democrats are split on, too, as with any two party system. (And btw, as a whole, they're still a hell of a lot better on Gaza than their GOP counterparts, or as my crazy GOP uncle-in-law said recently in a family get together, he wants to see Gaza turned to glass as Muslims deserve).

Would I like to see a better DNC? Sure. But I'll accept that at least they're better than last time, allowing AOC to actually give a speech and highlight economic disparities more throughout (as in, less afraid of the socialist label). Plus Harris picked Walz over Shapiro, which really would have reinforced the isreal position.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They allowed the family of an Israeli hostage on stage. Why not afford Palestinian Americans the same courtesy to have one of their own represented? Hell, they could have stood alongside the hostage's family to show solidarity and hope for peace in the future.

The Uncommitted movement did everything the "right way" -- they went through the official channels and offered the DNC a list of speakers and gave them permission to vet the speech however they wanted. But apparently that was still too big of an ask.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

This endless "they're not as bad as GOP" with regards to an ongoing genocide is so fucking disgusting. They're mass murdering fucking children. They're creating a famine and large scale humanitarian crisis as Palestinians are crammed into an ever smaller area with continuously less food and water.

The only appropriate response is unyielding international condemnation and a demand that Israel withdraw entirely from the Gaza strip and the west bank. There's no such fucking thing as "not as bad as __" when they're still supporting a god damn genocide.

What the fuck is the matter with everyone??

Edit: not sure where anyone is getting that I'm saying to vote for Republicans. Never fucking said that. What I said is:

There's no such fucking thing as "not as bad as __" when they're still supporting a god damn genocide.

On the subject of the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people, and on the ongoing support for a fucking colonial settler state, Democrats and Republicans both are in support. The democratic party is in favor of funding a fucking genocide. There's no moral high ground the Democrats are taking here. They're fucking genociders. And damn them for that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As bad as it is now, if Trump returns to power, he would make the Palestinian and Ukraine situations so much worse. Beyond that, we could see genocide here.

Because the situation is polarizing in American politics and unlikely to resolve any time soon, it seems unwise to push potentially unpopular policy with short-term gains that lose you an election to someone who would probably celebrate the end of Palestine and their people.

It's like complaining that the roof is leaking and wondering why no-one cares while the house is on fire.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Except instead of the roof leaking, it's a genocide...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

BlueMAGA is a real thing. Just as crazy. Just as callous about suffering. Just as preachy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

The Uyghurs are being genocided in China. The Rohingya are being genocided in Burma. There are people being genocided in South Sudan, Ethiopia, and Syria. This list is surely incomplete. By absolutely no means am I minimizing the plight of Palestinians in Gaza, and I fervently condemn all such actions.

That said, geopolitics is a filthy, nasty, amoral business, and humans are selfish and vicious. The Democrats are playing the game as best they can. Israel has one of the most powerful militaries on the planet, and they can destroy Gaza all on their own. They are the only nation on Earth who refuse to admit they are a nuclear power. The USA is playing two sides in the conflict; publicly they vow to support their ally Israel. They promise weapons and aid. Behind the scenes they are delaying the regular aid, and the additional aid is scheduled years out. The USA is also divided roughly 50/50 on how to react to this conflict and is forced to play a similar game with the American public, because there are factions here calling for Civil War 2, and wouldn't that complicate things?

You want immediate solutions, just like we all do. The only solution is convincing Israel to disengage, which is certainly being communicated behind the scenes. International sanctions would help, but international public support must get behind that. Should we move a couple carrier groups just offshore to threaten Israel? Sounds like an option, but what would that do to the balance of powers in the Middle East? What would Iran do? How will China react to such provocations? Will they take the opportunity to distract from their domestic issues by invading Taiwan, the global high tech manufacturing powerhouse? How will it affect the war in Ukraine and Russia? Iran is already helping Russia and brutalizing their own people for advocating freedom.

Conflict between three precarious superpowers vying for supremacy and balancing conflicts between their weaker neighbors. Nukes all over the place. That is a plausible scenario for how to start WW3. Probably something best avoided, exceedingly carefully, and unfortunately, horrifically slowly.

So that's the situation. Is there anything I missed? Of course there is. There are thousands of factors in play. Take for instance, the fact that military technology is on the cusp of changing completely to autonomous drone swarms. There's the fact that MAGA is being driven by an Evangelical death cult who are convinced that if they glass the Middle East, they can force Jesus to return for Armageddon. Then there's climate change to deal with.

Those smaller genocides I mentioned at the start get largely ignored simply because those nations are not major players, or because we can do almost nothing about them.

There are no easy, quick solutions. Geopolitics is a horror show. I'm not trying to convince you to disengage, or accept it, or get used to it. By all means, engage, refuse to accept it, rage against the dying of the light.

But remember that people are engaging in global diplomatic strategy because they too are horrified. Remember that the stakes are calamitous. This is not the democrat's fault. We are 8 billion barely-not-chimps who have seized the keys to the Universe somewhat earlier than we have figured out there are no gods coming to save us from ourselves. Sh!t just is.

And if you want to see just how bad it can get, there's always letting Trump turn everything to hell again. It's mind-boggling how much of our current situation is directly his stupid fücking fault. That's all a protest vote will get us; more of the worst. Yes, the GOP is horrifyingly worse than the Democrats. You care deeply and that is a wondrous, beautiful thing. We need you. Stop deluding yourself that both sides are the same. Get out and fücking vote.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

The only just answer to Israel is decolonization. I'm not deluded enough to believe that will happen. The least we can fucking expect of politicians is to stop arming genociders and stop funding them. For fucks sake you're talking about the systematic mass murder of children. The time for grand geopolitical lines is gone. What the fuck is the point of the international political community at all, if it can't or won't do anything about a genocider in their midst?

No. I expect more, and the fact that so many don't is entirely the problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The Uyghurs are being genocided in China. The Rohingya are being genocided in Burma. There are people being genocided in South Sudan, Ethiopia, and Syria. This list is surely incomplete. By absolutely no means am I minimizing the plight of Palestinians in Gaza, and I fervently condemn all such actions.

The Israel Palestine one is the one that we can actually help as Americans. And we are very actively involved with it.

That said, geopolitics is a filthy, nasty, amoral business, and humans are selfish and vicious. The Democrats are playing the game as best they can. Israel has one of the most powerful militaries on the planet, and they can destroy Gaza all on their own. They are the only nation on Earth who refuse to admit they are a nuclear power. The USA is playing two sides in the conflict; publicly they vow to support their ally Israel. They promise weapons and aid. Behind the scenes they are delaying the regular aid, and the additional aid is scheduled years out. The USA is also divided roughly 50/50 on how to react to this conflict and is forced to play a similar game with the American public, because there are factions here calling for Civil War 2, and wouldn't that complicate things?

The US isn't delaying shit. They delayed one little shipment once, but have also just approved more money and weapons for Israel like a week ago. It's always ongoing. The US is divided, but the Democrats are polling against the way Israel is conducting the war.

You want immediate solutions, just like we all do. The only solution is convincing Israel to disengage, which is certainly being communicated behind the scenes. International sanctions would help, but international public support must get behind that. Should we move a couple carrier groups just offshore to threaten Israel? Sounds like an option, but what would that do to the balance of powers in the Middle East? What would Iran do? How will China react to such provocations? Will they take the opportunity to distract from their domestic issues by invading Taiwan, the global high tech manufacturing powerhouse? How will it affect the war in Ukraine and Russia? Iran is already helping Russia and brutalizing their own people for advocating freedom.

International support is already there. Literally the whole world is against Israel except some Western ones. The only reason they still exist is US support who regularly vetoes UN sanctions against them, defends them from fights that they start, lies for them, etc. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt asome whole secular state. We've done it to South Africa so this isn't as impossible as you seem to think it is. There are very smart people in universities across the world who think of this stuff. And not giving money to Israel would help us have money for all those other conflicts you're mentioning. We don't have to park a ship there btw. We just have to stop giving them weapons. That would end our culpability in the region right there. Stop over complicating a genocide to absolve your country's complicity. These factors are in every international conflict, but that doesn't mean we're giving money to Russia to kill Ukraine because it would be easier.

But remember that people are engaging in global diplomatic strategy because they too are horrified. Remember that the stakes are calamitous. This is not the democrat's fault. We are 8 billion barely-not-chimps who have seized the keys to the Universe somewhat earlier than we have figured out there are no gods coming to save us from ourselves. Sh!t just is.

Ya, the democrats didn't just trip into helping a settler colonial ethnostate commit a genocide. This has been happening for 70 years. They're not helping because of careful ethical considerations. There helping because American empire demands it. It fuels our military industrial complex and disrupts the Middle East, which helps us harness that chaos in the region for oil and power reasons. It's why Biden said if Israel didn't exist they'd have to invent one. The problem exists because America isn't interested in fixing it. We're the bad guys here. And once people understand that, they can demand better instead of shrugging. We don't even need Israel as an ally. We have allied with various countries in there over the decades, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, and Jordan. Palestine could be that ally, too.

Nobody wants a quick easy solution. They want some effort. They didn't bring it up once during the DNC. The family of Israeli hostages did better about acknowledging Gaza Palestinians than our mainstream politicians and future Presidential administration. The hypocrisy is incredibly resounding.

And if you want to see just how bad it can get, there's always letting Trump turn everything to hell again. It's mind-boggling how much of our current situation is directly his stupid fücking fault. That's all a protest vote will get us; more of the worst. Yes, the GOP is horrifyingly worse than the Democrats. You care deeply and that is a wondrous, beautiful thing. We need you. Stop deluding yourself that both sides are the same. Get out and fücking vote.

Trump is worse is no excuse to continue a genocide. We can do better than that. Other countries have, and we are supposed to be the leader of the free world, but we are woefully behind Mexico, Colombia, South Africa, Ireland, China, and so many other countries on this issue. It's not impossible if they can do it. It just needs some courage to fight AIPAC, and inviting leftists into the big tent instead of constantly kicking them out and silencing them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As an American, the only ones that are funded by US military aid are Israel's genocide of Gaza and Saudi Arabia's genocide of Syria (that I'm aware of). Those are the only ones that I can try to get my government to stop giving unconditional military support to and instead threaten conditional support or even sanctions to stop the genocide. Of course I also support using soft power such as sanctions to add pressure on other powers to stop their genocides, such as on Russia and China, along with other international pressures like thru the ICC and ICJ

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This should be pinned at the top of any tankie post.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Take it. It's yours.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Also no farmers or housing developers will speak at the convention. Even though most Americans think food and housing prices are more important than Gaza.

Harris/Walz recognize that the most important issues in this election are women's rights and Trump's corruption, and their list of speakers reflects that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Except for the invitation to parents of an Israeli hostage.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-08-21/dnc-israeli-american-hostage-parents-palestine-speakers

AIPAC just has more money to give than the genocide victims.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Fucking ghouls. The DNC racing repubs down the toilet bowl.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

DNC is a bad organization filled with party hacks.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Winning at any cost will always mean losing where it counts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Which is hilarious considering how bad they are at winning

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's too political to be against killing innocent people, because the status quo says so.