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I'm just here to point out that a Ford Ranger today looks bigger than a F150 did a decade ago.
That’s ridiculous. The Ioniq 5 is a hit seller and just got picked as Car and Driver car of the year, so there’s definitely demand for an SUV EV.
That's okay, car companies like Honda and Subaru already have one. Nobody needs a Ford.
Did someone say stock buybacks?
Currently large electric vehicles make 0 sense
Make all passenger cars electric and work trucks ICE till the battery tech becomes suitable. Require licence to buy/drive big fuck you trucks and fine anyone who isn't using one for work.
Car and Driver picked the Ioniq 5 N as car of the year. It’s an SUV EV with 624hp. The non-N model is a hit seller.
3,578lbs curb weight of a Tuscon
4,414 ioniq 5.
Max towing capacity. Tuscon 2000lbs. Ioniq 5 1500lbs.
Not to mention the wear that 1000lbs extra causes.
Just because something is popular doesn't mean it makes sense.
Tic tic challenges, extremely popular, do they make sense to do?
The specsheet comparison is definitely the thing that tells you all you need to know about something...
It's just simple physics, or did you fail that class?
I'm not gonna explain why the things you said make you sound like an idiot. I'm just telling you it does. And that we're all over here laughing at you.
No, it's not. Tire Particulate Pollution
You now want everyone to drive around cars that have the equivalent weight of a 5 person family extra?
Seriously use your brain m8
Ah the famous made up stuff that had nothing to do with anything. Like the other car doesn't also have tires?
Or that weight is the primary contributor to tires degrading.
Idiocy
So you're telling me 900lbs of weight makes 0 difference on tire wear?
Yep someone failed or just never took it.
Heavier vehicle takes more to move making it use more power. Where you live it may not be an issue but for a lot of Americans it means coal power plants.
There are reasons why I stated that big electric vehicles currently don't make sense. Stop being so narrow minded, I am not basing my views on a single issue
I am not basing my views on a single issue
Dunno about that bruh
So you're telling me 900lbs of weight makes 0 difference on tire wear?
Not a single issue waaaaaaa.
You are a moron Don't even notice what I said about power generation Read a book ya dumb fuck
Oh, would a book explain to me why you only compare things on spec sheets?
I'd probably have to go to 4chan for that one.
Seriously you are missing some brain cells Batteries are heavy, to get the same range in fuel you need more batteries. Towing capacity is diminished to from the extra weight. More batteries is more mining and less cars can be produced with current designs all for the sake of a checkbox (range). More smaller cars with half the range are ideal for current battery tech and the way people realistically commute. Electricity generation is a big issue. Not everywhere uses solar, wind, hydro or nuclear. So your left with incineration, coal or natural gas for electrical generation
More batteries is more expensive making only wealthy people able to buy them (F150 lightning, Rivian, that other stupid company) also making them too expensive to replace.
Extra weight also puts more strain on existing parts leading to premature failures, makes crashes more likely to be fatal, more batteries more points of failure and more battery to burn if penetrated or catastrophic failure.
There is prob more but I've got work to do.
After all this it seems you want cars to be smaller, cheaper and with less range. None of which has anything to do with why they gave one car, car of the year over another.
What you have a beef with, is why people rated that car better based only on a speed sheet. Seriously, have you driven one? Have you read the reviews?
Do you know why people want longer ranges on a truck? Have you looked at what car oener demographics want? Did you explain any of that up front?
No.
You said one is heavier this sucks. Flipped the table like a 3 year old having a tantrum refused to elaborate and called everyone idiots.
Sure man, we're the idiots here. What s clown you are
Please go back and re read my posts, you are the one who is the clown or just a troll who sucks
I did mate and you're salty about what you think people should want. Not what people actually want. You're obsessed with numbers on a spec sheet.
Mate, you are a terrible troll
Don't respond then
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Ford has written off $1.9bn as it cancelled plans for simpler version in the US, opting to produce a version with both an ICE and batteries instead
It makes no sense
Same company that decided to stop making cars and only make trucks a few years ago. Their leadership has no idea how to do anything except sell oversized gas guzzlers to morons.
"Struggling" huh?
You know what blows my mind? Ford actually made an inexpensive small truck, and they couldn't keep them in stock. It flew off the shelves so fast pre-orders were taking almost a year to produce.
They turn around and then make an almost 6 figure electric version of the f150, then wonder why they didn't sell.
Make an affordable electric vehicle, and you won't have a single problem selling them. It's not this fucking hard! Imagining how far the oil industry is up the asses of car manufacturers is a real scary thought.
Higher profit margin. They'd rather sell 1 truck at a $50,000 profit than 50,000 trucks with a $2000/ea profit.
A barebones ("work truck"?) electric Maverick would be wonderful.
💯💯 Just a basic electric poverty spec truck with roll up windows, and a dot matrix radio 260 miles of range, and 150kW charging We don't need all this smart crap just own the fact that you're old hat
The smart crap is pennies on the dollar compared to rest of it.
And yet that is the shit that breaks and takes down there whole truck
Honestly its wild to hear how intergrated some infotainment systems and critical systems are.
They turn around and then make an almost 6 figure electric version of the f150, then wonder why they didn’t sell.
I remember when they first revealed the price as around $40k. At that price, there was a lot of demand. I don't know if they underestimated expenses or they got greedy with the covid pump in prices, but it's obvious that price is one of the biggest factors affecting demand. Ultimately, EVs should be cheaper to produce than internal combustion vehicles because there are far fewer parts involved.
'written off'
So they get a tax break for it?
I mean, is a expense and no revenue, you only pay taxes when you make money
Ahh. I thought there might be some sort of incentive like how Warner bros axed a fully finished movie because they could use the write off
Even that was only worth doing because of special tax rules for when companies are sold.
The fact that it's even remotely worth it is criminal (imo)
How do you get through a billion dollars before realising the product is not viable?
Easy.
Announce new models to rule the world
Pat self on back and give bonuses to all executives
Cancel project
Pat self on back for saving billions more and give even more bonuses to executives for being amazing.