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  • Ukraine downed a Russian Su-34 fighter jet over Kursk amid an ongoing territorial push.
  • The Su-34, worth around $36 million, is Russia's most efficient fighter bomber with advanced tech.
  • Ukraine has previously held long kill streaks with Russian Su-34s.
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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

AIM-120Cs on F-16s, baby. Something to counter the R-77s and R-37s of the VVS.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Sure is nice of Ukraine to start shooting them down closer to the pilots' homes, rather than making them travel all the way back from Ukrainian territory.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 3 months ago (7 children)

There is no way for Russia to rebuild all this Soviet stock and the war aint even over. How are they planning on securing their borders after the war when every country in the west hates them and China will make a play for Siberia and Far East by 2100.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean, they have nukes, actually invading them with intent to actually conquer them or permanently take significant parts of the country would be a risky move regardless of how depleted their stocks get.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That goes both ways, at least a little. It would be risky for Russia to ever use nukes, even on their own territory. It certainly wouldn't make the west happy, and their citizens probably don't want to see their own villages with mushroom clouds over them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Russia has made it painfully clear that she does not give one single fuck about her citizens. But yeah, using nukes probably wouldn't end well for Russia at all. I agree, the US would step in at that point and things would get very messy.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

There were some talking heads some months ago saying that the Ukraine war would determine if China expands into Taiwan militarily or russia economically. No need for weapons in the second case.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I still don't really see China attacking Taiwan as a particularly likely since it would involve tangling with the US, which may not come to anything but is an unknown factor.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

China won't militarily invade Taiwan until they have their own semiconductor foundry that rivals TSMC

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So they'd become a kind of vassal state?

I could totally see that, especially if something happens to Putin.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

What I saw was that North China is DRY. They need tons of water. And russia has lake Baikal nearby. These kinds of Nestlé-style tricks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlUJwbL7SM8

Imagine all the anger russians feel towards the US for not being able to magically fix their country in the 90s but now turned towards their growing and grabby neighbour.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Wait, did Russians really believe the U.S. was supposed to fix it after the collapse of the USSR?

That's not how government works what the hell is wrong with people over there

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

For what it’s worth the west had a history of helping in these events, we did fuck all for them really when the Soviet Union broke apart.

It wasn’t our job, but it woulda gone a LONG fucking way to bettering relations.

I could see feeling bitter we didn’t help but to take it as far as blaming us for their woes is just classic “it’s their fault” mentality.

Look at Japan and Germany as examples of how it may have played out.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Although funny enough that’s what we promised to do in Japan after WWII.

https://youtu.be/YzRWPGSaKDk

They did experience rapid economic growth, and did move to a democratic government, though as usual the right wing leadership took hold both here and there, and we just wanted Japan as a military base to counter those commie Russians, and they wanted to nullify the treaty preventing them from having a standing army

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm exaggerating for the sake of argument, but I've seen tankies and russians on youtube make this argument unironically to justify why russia had the right to do whatever it wanted to recover its empire and that they had a right to revenge for the "decade of humiliation" and shock therapy.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think Russia's plan was to enslave the Ukrainian people and force them to rebuild the russian military.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Ah, you mean Russia's perpetual solution until Ukraine won their independence.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Heard they don't know how to build the Su-34 any longer (old forgotten Soviet stuff), only service and upgrade them.

Putin us really thinking with his ass now, they haven't lost the battle but they sure seems to have lost the war.

Ffs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Yeah, even if it ends tomorrow (which it will not, not even close) this has totally screwed over Russia.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They can't even make sufficient ball bearings to keep their railroad alive; they depended entirely on western imports lol

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Solid propaganda but I am sure China can machine them some fucking ball bearings lol

There are shortages though.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (4 children)

The bearings in trains are actually pretty complicated to build. They use slanted roller bearings, not just regular old ball bearings. 10 companies in the world make like 70% of all rail bearings, and 5 of those are in Japan. Plus, only a few countries produce the two steel alloys that you make these bearings out of.

China does produce around 20% of the bearings used in trains, but pretty much all of it gets used for domestic purposes and they still have to import due to their massive rail expansion projects

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The ball bearings are made in Germany with a very specific level of precision that China can definitely replicate given how they rapidly caught up to the rest of the world in the past 30 years economically and technologically. (Hint was done primarily through corporate espionage and theft)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

100% this isn't a lost technology, it "just" needs some machines built

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Does Russia even have that precision machining capability?

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You sure 2100?

If I was China I'd make a play for it by the end of the year, fuck Taiwan when you could snag all that free real-estate and precious metals Russia should have been mining instead of losing their ass in a war.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Why would China need to invade Russia when they can just buy the resources? Russia would certainly like something to cover the huge trade imbalance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

it is good living space... but i digress...

China has no emotional investment in the territory so it would not undermine itself trying to capture it like Russia is doing now.

However, at this rate Russia will be very weak in the future and at point China will cross over and colonize the area which is very sparsely populated by about half of the people who really don't give a fuck about being "Russian"

It will be on of them... do you cry when you step on the thing and our grandkids won't blink.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Ukraine is showing remarkable restraint by not razing the villages and not kidnapping Russian children. Slava Ukraini!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (8 children)

russians are razing entire villages now because they can't advance in any other way (currently). they didn't do that in first days of the war, or in 2014. that's because they can't use maneuver effectively now for combination of reasons (loss of skilled personnel, armoured vehicles, constant surveillance, contested airspace) (unlike ukrainians now in kursk)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

If I were ukraine I'd take the children for the sole purpose of exchanging them for the ones Russia kidnapped.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

one of several reasons why looting is banned in all sensible armies is that looting slows advance

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (5 children)

If you have a proper supply chain and logistics you don't need to rely on taking civilians stuff. The russian military and the members who loot the villages are just despicable

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Ukrainian soldiers are leaving Google reviews on local shops as they travel through. I don't think they are looting, but they are definitely stopping for snacks.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you have a proper supply chain and logistics

Do they, though..? Or is it still the classic Russian “wait until the guy in front of you is killed and then pick up his rifle” sort of thing..?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

russians are at very least supplied with small arms ammo

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Looting happens because people like to steal unusual or valuable stuff. For example, when wristwatches were popular, they were a common item to be looted, because they had a lot of value for their size and weight. It's not about being supplied with necessities.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

looting happens when your army consists of undisciplined cavemen. it further strains logistics, that has to run both ways now; takes valuable time that could be used doing literally anything else; sets local civilians against you - maybe there are spotters or informants or insurgents now that weren't there before; makes unit in question vulnerable to some of these civilians' antics - there were multiple reports of poisoned food being served to russian soldiers by now and i think it could be over 50 fatalities total; not to mention that it's a war crime

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It requires no restraint if you're not a monster.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago

Right on, this isn't about Ukraine's restraint, it's about Russia's psychopathy.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah was gonna say... Russia has abducted and moved native populations as part of their imperialism, for most of their history. Ukraine presumably doesn't want to take over Russia so they have no need for such inhumane tricks.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

They are liberating Russia

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good, there will hopefully be more where that came from. I hope Russia is scared to fly over their own country.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

Russia is, after all, the second best air force in Russia.

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