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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How about awareness that climate change will ruin us all.

It checks out that the peak of optimism in your graph is around the 80's and 90's. We weren't just "optimistic" in the 90's. We were delusional. We were ignoring problems instead of solving them

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Climate change is bad but it's not an asteroid impact or super volcano eruption bad. It will not "ruin us all" and no credible scientist is claiming it would. Uneducated fear mongering like this is what causes extreme anxiety to people that don't know any better.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're wrong. Scientific consensus is that this will be catastrophic. We're still emitting more greenhouse gases year over year, and the rate at which global warming is happening is still increasing year over year. Anyone who says this will stop at 1.5 degrees, 2 degrees, 3 degrees, whatever, they're all wrong because no slowdown is happening at all. It's wishful thinking. Climate predictions are being broken all the time, never in a good way. And that's not taking into account any tipping points that suddenly speed up climate change, such as melting ice releasing trapped methane.

There is no reason to say it won't be that bad. It will

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

My message literally starts by saying climate change is bad. It will be catastrophic. At no point have I claimed otherwise.

It will however not be civilization ending. It's not an existential threat to humanity like an asteroid impact or super volcano eruption would be.

According to WHO: "Between 2030 and 2050, climate change is expected to cause approximately 250 000 additional deaths per year, from undernutrition, malaria, diarrhoea and heat stress alone."

Also: "Even after accounting for adaptation, an additional 1.5 million people die per year from climate change by 2100 if past emissions trends continue."

That's about the same as what road accidents or diabetes kills every year.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think that depends on how you define 'civilisation'. My inclination is that most people would say civilisation has ended if life is drastically different to how they perceive their life/world they live in. Think 'civilisation as we know it' rather than a dictionary definition.

However, I disagree that it's not an existentisl threat, if only on the basis of possible crop failiures on a massive scale (reduced crop yields are a global issue already). Don't underestimate the impact of food shortages on everything else, we in the west have become accustomed to easy access to food.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

An asteroid impact or super volcano eruption has the potential to kill every single human on earth and end the human race. That's what I mean by existential threat. I feel like many people think of climate change as something that's on the same scale but it really isn't. Saying stuff like "climate change will ruin us all" just isn't true. There are degrees of bad and while climate change definitely is up there in the bad end of the spectrum there's still events that are orders of magnitude worse.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

If we trigger tipping point after tipping point, we can turn earth into venus. You're just wrong.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

“over the past 60 years the West has begun to shift away from the culture of progress, and towards one of caution, worry and risk-aversion, with economic growth slowing over the same period. The frequency of terms related to progress, improvement and the future has dropped by about 25 per cent since the 1960s, while those related to threats, risks and worries have become several times more common.”

I mean, when people are struggling to survive it’s hard to let yourself get excited about technology that will likely only benefit the most wealthy. All of the “easy” discoveries have been made. Anything else getting research funding is to further capitalism.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

By no means do I want to dismiss the socioeconomic issues that you’re hilighting - in fact, I agree on those points. But I think this is more about the pervasive philosophy of risk avoidance that’s been created by letting lawyers, financiers, and business types run everything, instead of anthropologists, sociologists, and engineers.