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A cookie notice that seeks permission to share your details with "848 of our partners" and "actively scan device details for identification".

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

We all have a fundamental right to privacy, which is constantly violated. Not just on a daily basis, but on a minute by minute basis.

But to play devil's advocate for a moment to assuage some FUD around posts like this, how many of the absurd amount of cookies overlap in otherwise innoculous ways. For instance, product tracking cookies. Say you bought a pumpkin on Amazon, and that drops a gorde cookie, a pumpkin spice cookie, a cornucopia cookie etc.

That's certainly not the same as buy a pumpkin, track your location around the nearest pumpkin patch, read your grandma's emails about pumpkins, and collect information to determine your likelihood of buying another pumpkin based on your sexual orientation.

The latter certainly exists, but does anyone know much about the former? How prevalent would they be in that 850?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

2 days and this post has fewer likes than number of companies that get your data for visiting the Verge. Holy crap, that's terrifying

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Don't worry bro, its just me and 2000 of my closest friends. Totally legit.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Me: *logs on to their website*

Them:

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Remember when they passed laws protecting our library and video store rental histories instead of letting data brokers hoover up every song you listen to and every news article you read?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

If you're referring to the US' Video Privacy Protection Act, it was passed only because it slightly embarrassed a Supreme Court nominee.

So for there to be half-decent online privacy laws in the US, first someone will have to leak Clarence Thomas' Pornhub search history or something like that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Yea because I want a news site to have my precise geolocation data.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Alternative if the first one doesn't tickle your fancy.
https://github.com/cavi-au/Consent-O-Matic

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Well. I appreciate the honesty.. I guess.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

As someone who works in tech, I can confidently say that many people plainly do not understand what cookies do and why they exist. There are plenty of cookies that are good and useful, but third party advertising tracking cookies are the devil folks don't like. Necessary, performance and functional cookies are all chill.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A question: What is preventing the site using one huge cookie for all purposes, thus preventing fully functional use of the site without also enabling all other forms of tracking?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Same thing that's preventing them from ignoring your choices or not offering them in the first place: nothing technical; it's all up to the legal system.

I'm not sure how sites generally do it, but from my web dev experience in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually implemented as one giant cookie. Iirc cookies are attached to domains and one domain can't access another's cookies. So if they are sharing the data on their end, I'd guess it is one big cookie. If they have their site set up to make the clients share the data themselves, I'd guess there's a cookie for each partner's domain.

It's even possible that the information is shared without using actual cookies at all, since data can be sent to servers using the http get request. If you see ? in the url, everything after that is a list of arguments and values... Though the entire URL (after the domain, which maps it to that server) is data and doesn't have to map to a directory structure and file on a server. Maybe this falls under the umbrella of "cookie" despite technically not being a cookie.

Or maybe it's a loophole where the legislation focused on just cookies and falls back to these methods. Probably not, because if it's done on the client side, it would be easy to detect by anyone who knows how to look. But who knows what's going on on the server side of things?

Edit: my knowledge here is dated and outside of my specializations, so consider this more technically informed speculation than necessarily applicable to how things generally work. I say this because I see another comment came in while I was writing this that contradicts mine about a giant cookie being technically possible. My own use of cookies was to store a session id so that php could find the data that was being stored server side that was necessary for site functionality (like storing logged in state, user id, and other internal stuff we don't want users being able to change by editing a cookie). They worked like maps iirc where you just give them key:value pairs, thus could store an arbitrary amount of data.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Cookies are very small snippets of code that have a specific purpose. Making a one-size-fits-all cookie would make them complicated and much harder to track - which goes against the point of a cookie. Also, cookies are often independent of each other because they are from different providers/different tools. Having a one-size-fits-all cookie would also present a security hazard and make laws similar to GDPR about cookie tracking difficult to implement. An example of a tool that actually does use one cookie is Adobe's Marketo. You can read some more about them here. https://termly.io/resources/articles/types-of-internet-cookies/

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Like the cookie that stores the "Reject All the cookies" response for your next visit 😇

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Exactly - which would likely be a persistent necessary cookie on most websites.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

And the EU has forced us to answer that goddamn "do you accept cookies?" question on every frigging website. How many people just click "accept all" to get on with things?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

THAT IS A BIG FAT LIE! The EU did not force any such thing. The EU simply said that people's data cannot be used without consent. This is the website asking for consent.

Website developers have a perfectly valid choice not to collect any data. They chose their profits above your privacy.

I have a website and I don't have a popup asking for consent, because I don't need to, because I don't collect any data.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Cookie Auto-Delete helps with that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

There's cookie lists in uBlock Origin. Just enable them.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The EU has forced them to give us the option. Previously, they'd do all of that shit without telling you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Previously I just opted out of all cookies as a browser setting.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ok to be honest i'd rather have the choice to accept or decline it and waste a couple seconds then having all of that enabled by default with no way to reject them

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I have the ghosrtery extension on Firefox, I have it set to auto reject all tracking cookies, and reject all third party "legitimate interest" cookies. I've heard there's other extensions that do the same, and maybe better, but I already have it set the way I want.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I just occasionally wipe everything. I have to reenter passwords and such but it isn't a big deal.

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