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Hello, i am currently looking for a Linux distribution with these criteria:

-it should be more or less stable, comparable to Ubuntu with or without LTS // -it should not be related to IBM to any way (so no fedora/redhat) // -it should not feature snaps (no Ubuntu or KDE neon) // -KDE plasma should be installable manually (best case even installed by default) // -no DIY Distros //

I've been thinking about using an immutable distro, but if anyone can recommend something to me, I'd be very grateful //

Edit: I'm sorry for the bad formatting, for some reason it doesn't register spaces

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed Most stable rolling, in my opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Can you please like write the points in a list and not with these weird // in between? Lemmy uses markdown

- this (that space between line and text is important)
- is 
- a list

* this
* too
* forwhateverreason

``` before and after something : codeblock

*italic*

**bold**

***both***

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

yes Debian, install latest MX Linux (23.2 AHS) and enjoy it, it's a great distro, up to date, well maintained. There is a KDE version where you can install latest kernel from their AHS repo (6.6.11 as time of writing)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Of course debian.

However pure debian needs some love before you can use it.

If you want to use steam. Enable 32 bit arch.

If you want to use flatpak. You need to install it and add the default repo.

To install kde plasma you need only a single apt command.

I personally run debian-testing/Trixie.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

don't shit on my kde neon like that :(

kde neon doesn't come with snap packages, it only supports it so that the user can install snap apps if they want to.

it's a great distro and i highly recommend it

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Psst... Try nixos 😹

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

what does half stable mean?
stable os with fresh applications?

if thats what you are looking for,
maybe debian with flatpacks for fresher softwares?

or if you also dont like flatpack, maybe
debian with nix

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

people will read stable and instantly comment debian

Jokes aside, given that you said in a comment that it's for non-tech-savvy people, I'd say Linux Mint, partially just because it will look familiar if they've seen any Windows PC.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (13 children)

Definitely Debian. Or Mint if you also like the cinnamon desktop (which is similar to KDE's in terms of default look).

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

What about Pop!_OS? It fits all the criteria. It's an Ubuntu distro by System76 (known for their computers that run Linux) that foregoes Snaps for Flatpaks, so you get Ubuntu's reliability/stability without the Snaps. It does default to its own spin on GNOME, however you can install an alternative desktop environment just fine.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Debian Stable as base OS, then activate unstable repos in a sandbox/container. Maybe even Distrobox for newer Apps.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

kde neon don't use snaps

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

@Luffy879 If someone comes from Windows and has little experience with Linux Mint LTS with XFCE4.
https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=313
With MX Linux (Debian based) you can create a live ISO with all packages and flat packs and then create a live USB stick with persistence (requires double memory on the Linux partition For the ISO)
https://mxlinux.org/
you can make installs from the usb after creating it.
Distrochooser
https://distrochooser.de/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Regarding your post formatting, you need to put a space between the bullet point and the first character of the line:

  • Like this (hit view source/view markdown on my comment to see)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sorry, the closest i came up aren't good solution but may help in your search.

  • Vanilla OS 2 (based on Debian) but it is under Gnome DE and in beta phase. Very begginer friendly. Maybe once it go out from beta it will supports other DE ? So check it around 6th month later or 1 year ?

But the problem is that their community is very small. If you want something stable, it's better to look for bigger community so you can benefit from their support and user's problems

There is fedora kinoite but you don't want anything related to IBM. That was the best compromise i can found.

  • NixOS but i don't know it. I'm affraid it will be a DIY distro at the beggining with the config file. But it will probably meet all your criterias.

Or the same OS from my steamdeck :

  • Steam OS ? It's an immutable OS based on Arch and support KDE by default. Full support of flatpaks. Only downside, i dunno if it supports other machines than the steamdeck. Nor if it uses the latest linux kernel. Maybe some variants ?
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Solus. Snaps optional.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

OpenSUSE is good. If corporate scares you off, there's OpenMandriva Lx or Mageia.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Debian testing or nixos

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

When you start getting super specific about which distro you want, I think you should start looking towards a DIY distro.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Have you tried Mint? It's super stable. It's the least DIY distro ever. You CAN use snaps, but why would anyone want to? I believe there's an image that comes with KDE, but Cinnamon is a great desktop.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago

Sounds like Debian is your answer.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

I think you should go with OpenSuse

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I've been running Linux Mint Cinnamon for years. It's the stablest, most dependable distro I've ever run. I've installed it, updated it and major-version-upgraded it many times on many machines and it never broke.

It's basically Ubuntu with the features that make Ubuntu shite removed (basically Unity and snaps) and a no-nonsense, GTK-based Win95-like desktop environment tacked on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I've been on mint for ages but when I updated my RAID this year it originally wouldn't recognize it. I eventually got it recognized but it capped the 16TB drives at 999GB for some reason. For fun, I went up the chain to Ubuntu... Same thing

In frustration I went to Grandma's house with Debian and it worked perfect out of the box. I'd spent hours researching it but the best I found was a potential RAID related bug (lvm, specifically, I think) introduced in Ubuntu that, of course, filtered into Mint. Even fdisk reported the physical drives as 999GB in Mint/Ubuntu.

I still don't know the exact cause but I got it up and running so I'm a Debian guy now, I guess.

Granted, my use case isn't super normal since I'm using a BIOS RAID1 (and we all know how fun BIOS RAID can be) with full disk encryption.

Worked out in the end but it made me sad to ditch Mint

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

can be a bug in your bios too

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Came here to say this

rat-salute

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

Yeah go straight to the source.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Two come to mind. Have fun distro hopping :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What does a DIY distro mean? Is typing archinstall out of the question?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (6 children)

With diy distro I meant arch, gentoo, and nixOS The distro is meant to run on a PC which is mainly used by non tech sawwy people. And even tho I will be doing all administration tasks on it, I would like it to be as easy to manage themselves as possible, so they become familiar with Linux more.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I dont see how e.g. arch would be super hard to maintain.
There is a nice GUI program for installing programs and updates. (like many modern distros)
If you dont want to set everything up, go with Endeavour or Garuda.

I find rolling release to be easier to maintain and keep up to date than non-rolling.
Specially if you want up to date packages for desktop use.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

The distro is meant to run on a PC which is mainly used by non tech sawwy people. [...], so they become familiar with Linux more.

In this case I always suggest trying out Linux Mint. It is not "too heavy" and not "too specific/niche". It's a good all-purpose distribution for desktops/laptops where basic maintenance can be performed by the user.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

My mom and grandma are using Manjaro. With grandma I'm the only one doing the updates of course, but with mom she usually can do it herself just using pamac-tray. If that fails a phonecall is usually sufficient. Once in a few years I have to come and do something by myself

And when that happens I work with a distro that just works, instead of some broken crap
EDIT: I tried having Mint on their computers. Big mistake, it's as broken as Debian and Ubuntu

EDIT: Xfce is very nice in such cases. It looks familiar for them while being manageable for me

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What is broken with Mint? My kid has been using it since she was like 10.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
  1. no rolling-release: around once half a year you have to reinstall the system because it can't update some core library to a more recent version. And it's only the distro's limitation because rolling releases have no issue with it
  2. you can't just define a package of your own. So if a piece of software is not in packages, you need to compile and install it manually without packager managing it. It tends to break in the long term and when the software suddenly becomes packaged
  3. deb-hell: if you come to the idea to solve the first problem by compiling your own package, the packager will give you hell for that. And compiling your own deb with bumped up version is no easy task. Which means that when your version of the system goes out of life, you have to reinstall. Pray that you thought about this before and put /home and /etc on separate partitions
  4. package dependencies are too baked in or stability is too high priority. Even if your issue got resolved recently, it will take a long time for an updated package to appear. And you can't roll your own in the meantime (see 2, or even worse 1)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

If it will be used by non-tech savvy people, why do you care about snap and IBM? Do the people care about that?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Opensuse Tumbleweed is pretty stable, even though it's a rolling release

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Getting the arch experience in software support (has a "community repo" as well) but in a stable way and there is never the need to use the terminal, if you don’t want)

Love it, recommend it.

For more stableness check out the slow rolling version or the immutable versions (both in "beta" state)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Jumping on the OpenSUSE bandwagon. I use it daily, have been running the same install of Tumbleweed for years without issue. I'm using KDE Plasma which it let's you choose as part of the installation which fulfils that requirement for you as well.

If you're familiar with Redhat you'll feel at home on it. Zypper is the package manager instead of yum/dnf and works really well (particularly when coping with dependency issues.

I've worked with heaps of distros over the years (Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, RHEL, old school Red Hat, CentOS, Rocky, Oracle, even a bit of Alpine and some BSD variants) and OpenSUSE is definitely my favourite for a workstation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I second opensuse, there is also a non-rolling release option, i think.

My tumbleweed has been exceptionally stable, updates without problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Stable as in reliable and not as in unchanging

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