2024 is going to be the beginning of the end of us all : memes

[–] [email protected] 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have hope for Germany. The past few weeks we had enormous protests(over 3m people protested in total) and multiple petitions against fascists and the AfD(the party that literally want to deportate everyone who isn't "German"(this means even if you have a German passport, but came from another country youre going to get deportated)) had blown up. Their youth organisation is now officially a right wing extremists organisation. I still have hope, that we may save our country before it's to late.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (4 children)

No I'm not catastrophising.

2024 is going to be the beginning of the end of us all

Yeah, I don't know about that.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hungary is seriously fucked up at the moment but calling it fascism is a huge stretch. It's not like these fuckers actually believe in anything, they'll just do whatever gets them the votes and the cash. Not that the tendencies aren't worrying (in fact I've left the country because of them), but it's not a full blown dictatorship yet. Source: am Hungarian.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The thing is that Hitler didn't make the gas chamber right away in 1933. It's a process. But wasn't it already fascist in 1933? Was nazi Germany fascist when Hitler was elected? Before that, when the nsdap started to be powerful enough to influence the politics? Or only once the weimar Republic was officially dead? What if he had kept the name of the weimar Republic, would it still not be fascist then?

Take trump: he's not president yet, and he didn't destroy democracy yet. But he already tried a coup. Isn't he a fascist himself? What does he need to do to actually make fascism happen?

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hi, Why do you think India is a fascist country? I believe its the most democratic country ever. However looking forward to your perspective.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Modi is seemingly dismantling Indian democracy under the auspices of hindu nationalism and populism.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The UK won't be far behind. Our left leaning party is likely to get in at the next election, but the overton window has shifted faaaar in the past 10-15 years and today's labour may just be yesterday's Tories. Who's to say what tomorrow's Tories will be...

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You can add France in your list.

Our next leader will probably be a fascist, and the root cause is (to some degrees) our current government.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Current government in France is already fascist.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

We're been living in an oligarchy since the mid 1970s, we've had a surveillance state since 2001 and the US government has been allowed to indefinitely detain people since whatever the year was when Obama signed the NDAA into law.

Our democracy was stolen long ago.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

People are powerless and the cash flow is working against the ones aware of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Dayyyym that's a good quote, friend. Props and ups to you.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Go on, tell us how many elections away to obtaining absolute and permanent power the authoritarian left is - in a way that its troops will be roaming the streets rounding up undesirables.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Fellas, is it fa to be antifa?

I don't know how is it like in your internet bubble, but in the real world tankies are not the majority in antifa spaces.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm glad to hear that. Being on Lemmy skews my view of the situation as well, I guess.

And no, I don't think Antifa is fascistic. Counterproductive sometimes perhaps, but not fascist.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

It's not concerns, it's fear. The problems are not automation or immigration. The problem is empoverishment.

People fear about automation and immigration because they're sold the idea that they must work or die, but there isn't work for everyone. The liberals love this idea because it enslaves people to their work. Fascists love these ideas because it gives them an enemy to fight for a culture war.

And here you have an alliance of fascists and liberals. Exactly like in the 30s.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Wants that the concerns of people are taken seriously, but uses alt right dogwhistles like 'immigration is a problem' & 'globalist are destroying this country'. Both are absolut non-problems of the common folk, but are used in line with real problems, like rising cost of living.

You, sir, are a clown.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah thats a problem I frequently see. People arguing that we should solve "the problems" and then naming things that fascists made up and actually aren't real problems. How does one solve a problem that doesn't exist but people have been made to think it exists by lying fascists? Telling them that what the fascists say is a lie won't help either cause they are not willing to accept other opinions

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

And that's what's called populism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What's wrong with automation?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm a union auto worker and let me tell you, I'm more scared of automation taking my job with no social safety net than I am of industrial accidents.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

And what's the alternative? Stopping progress and keeping menial jobs on life support just to pay people a wage is ludicrous. Automation has been replacing jobs since watermills and oxen, it is a form of liberation. The current rate will probably cause a lot of upheaval yes, but it's a necessary evil.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I urge you to touch grass

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

This. Being engorged in a bubble can skew one's world view pretty badly.

For instance, if you're only in Lemmy, you might indeed start to think that the world is going to a nazi hell again and the only way to fix that is a communist revolution, comrades. Or if you're in Twitter, you might start to think that the woke mobsters are ruining the west, or whatever.

If you're on tiktok or youtube, you'll get the bubble you taught those things to be.

The center is probably still holding, and normal people in normal life are being normal.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

or what if, now hear me out, what if: some people look beyond their bubble, are highly skeptical of the media, and research stories from multiple angles???
it it conceivable that someone could possibly be aware of the filter bubble effect, and they try to pop it?
we are definitely descending into fascism...
while many people are fighting it, we are getting scarily closer on many fronts...
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this should be terrifying because if they do get fully into power, first thing they'll do is round up people like us

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