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We should recognize the tremendous efforts of prehistoric American botanists for selectively breeding so many major food crops. Maize, tomatoes, peppers, potatoes, squash, beans, avocado, cacao, peanuts, papaya, and pineapples are among the many crops first developed in pre-1492 America.
the problem isn't that GMOs exist it's that all GMOs that exist are either sprayed with 10x pesticide or are GM'd to make their own super potent pesticide
Golden rice does neither of these two things. Not that the facts matter when it comes to our irrational fear of gmos.
Golden rice doesn't actually exist, not in any meaningful sense
It's widespread adoption, almost certainly resulting in the unnecessary suffering of millions of people, has been hampered by anti-scienitific fanatics. So let's not confuse that with there being something wrong with golden rice or it not existing.
But if that isn't enough, we have fast growing salmon, non browning apples, and pink pineapple which are all gmos on the market that don't have to do with pesticides or pest resistance. If we include ones that are simply resistant to viruses, then the list grows substantially more.
what % of GMO biomass does golden rice constitute
More than none, which is enough to disprove your claim.
What hello Kitty was trying to say is that most people are not objecting GMO but the way it's used under capitalism, either to sell more pesticides (e.g. glyphosate), to make farmers dependent on seeds via patents, or both. Just because there's highly idealistic research doesn't mean it's compatible with our current system.
Then why not say that rather than the patently false claim that it's only for pesticides? You also express some more misconceptions: seeds, regardless of how they are made are patented, are rarely reused farmers pretty much always buy new seeds. This is not an issue limited to gmos. Parents are not just for GMO plants. Again, a separate issue.
You're issue seems to be with capitalism, not GMO a tool used by capitalists to make more money.
Which person decided to domesticate that thing. Just like "hey I found this weird looking grass fruit wanna enslave it" and chief's like "hell yeah of course I wanna enslave it!" and then they just ate increasingly beady grass for a few thousand years
They just realized it was edible, thought to save some to plant, and then the big idea was whenever they realized they should save the biggest ones to replant
Wrong, the grass enslaved humanity. It was like "I hear wheat is doing well, I wanna get a hominid slave species that will protect me from pests and propagate my genetic line whilst literally clearing away all competing plants for miles."
And corn got their slaves, and as the plant relaxed over successive generations they grew more bready and delicious because the only predator eating them was also ensuring their monocrop dominance so get fat and whatever who cares!
You need to stop, youβre too corny for anyone too like you, and honestly when you showed everyone cream corn at the family gathering it was not what anyone wanted to see, and really pop corn? Nobody should ever want pop corn. Anyway if you really like corn you can have it at home, but not while weβre eating out.
EDIT: OP cleared up the confusion, thanks for that I ... what? This is such a gigantic leap, going from Teosinte to modern day mazie and calling it a GMO, what is it even suppoed to mean? We shouldn't use domesticated plant? I am seriously scared by the lack of what I consider to be general knowledge of breeding in the general population, have people stopped going to school in the last 5 years?
It's pro-GMO, showing we've always modified plants.
Well golly gee, I guess that means GMO crops that are bred to survive glyphosate and other pesticides must be the same thing then!
All I see here is an attempt to amalgamate GMO's and selective breeding to manipulate public perception... which leads to higher profits.
You're problem is with pesticides, not GMO. Youve just been convinced by the people trying to amalgamate GMO and pesticides. You know who stands to make a lot of profit from that? The corporations pushing organics into a fast growing 70 billion dollar industry.
Well, alright thanks for clearing that up. I understand the meme now, although I still struggle with the ... unusual use of terminology. But yes, it very much makes sense to show teosinte then!
Then again, depending on if you count CRISPR gene editing as GMO, the terminology fits perfect. CRISPR does exactly the same as breeding, just with perfection and knowing what happend on molecular biological level.
Hard core corn
This message brought to you by the Monsanto and Unit 731 gang.
Monsanto creates GMOs based on nothing but greed - they have complete disregard for the environmental impact of the wanton use of pesticides that their resistant strains encourage. But that's just one GMO application - other crops use genetic modification to produce greater yields or better nutritional value.
Golden rice is a great GMO that can bring vitamin C and other essential nutrients to previously-deficient areas of the world, but it keeps getting delayed and disrupted by people who think that the reason Monsanto is terrible is because they make GMO's, rather than their sketchy business and science practices they use. GMO's as a whole are neutral, and there are amazing benefits we can get from them if we understand the difference between good and bad use of genetic modification.
OP's post points out that beneficial old-fashioned GMO creation through use of selective breeding has immensely improved agricultural yield from the original source - the process of using our own observations to modify organisms on a genetic level is not new, and without it, we wouldn't be where we are now as a species.
The origin of GMOs trace directly back to Shiro Ishii and Unit 731 (Imperial Japan's war crime squad). They did a bunch of other weird shit besides poisoning people. Particularly, they developed dawrf species of wheat so they could soak up a shit ton of chem fertilizers without getting too tall and falling over. This is the genesis of modern GMOs, and if we didn't Paperclip^tm^ Ishii, things would be very different right now.
GMO's trace back further than that - even when we're specifically talking about modern methods. The first Drosophila melanogaster fruit fly genetics experiments happened in 1910, though it took a while for us to begin actually creating GMO strains; the first study I know of that did so was in 1927 by Hermann J. Muller, using x-rays to purposefully induce mutations. But ultimately, it doesn't matter who was the first to purposefully modify the genetics of an organism, modern or otherwise.
The fact of the matter is that we can use, have used, and should use genetic modification for beneficial purposes. Again, GMO's are neutral; it just means an organism was purposefully modified on a genetic level by humans - it's the purpose itself that determines whether its good or bad. People will use it for bad reasons just like any technology, and we should stop them, but that doesn't mean we should shun the technology itself when genetic modifications have been used beneficially for millennia, and modern techniques are just as capable of producing incredibly beneficial changes as they are the detrimental ones everyone's scared of.
Hell yeah, teosinte gang rise up (to a rather modest population size).