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Elon Musk says Tesla is an AI company now. Here’s how plausible that is. (arstechnica.com)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

ITT: bionicjoey from lemmy.ca demonstrates the informal fallacy multiple ways

[–] [email protected] 150 points 3 months ago (3 children)

As plausible as removing an image from the internet forever

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago

or like from 6 years ago when elon replied to someone saying tesla was emphatically pro lgbt and if you didn't like that, go elsewhere.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Elon says, we have another AI.
AI says, we have yet another "Elon says" post.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Additionally, Musk announced a full self driving robot driver to make the robotaxis look more authentic

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

it'll be here in ~~september~~ ~~december~~ ~~next may~~ ~~a year from now~~ soon

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The maze doesn't go anywhere and the red line circles back on itself

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

Symbolizes the rollout of large language models and the principal “garbage in, garbage out”.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's also anything but the most efficient route for doing so. Like Abe Simpson toured the building before returning back to the hat stand and it the door.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

AI will save anything! Except the stock market.

[+] [email protected] -56 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (17 children)

Tesla has always been an AI company. They've had tons of machine learning going on in their cars basically as long as they've existed. What exactly is changing? Are they going to start trying to use generative models like GPTs in their cars?

Edit: lol people really don't like that someone mentally categorizes stuff differently than they do. Sorry I've offended you all so deeply with my differing definition of "AI company"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For the most part what kind of company you are is what kind of product you're selling or making money off of.

So you could contend that Tesla is a battery company or a car company feasibly. Nobody ahead of the AI bubble would have mentioned Tesla and artificial intelligence in the same category.

Besides, if it's what he makes money selling Tesla is a tax credit company.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

We have always been at war with Eurasia.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“We are a car company we sell cars. We have machine learning for self driving”

“We are an AI company”.

It hasn’t always been an AI company. They are an automotive company suddenly shifting gears

[+] [email protected] -43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I guess if you think AI and car are mutually exclusive. I would have described Tesla as an AI car company.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

What AI products, except their broken self driving feature, does tesla sell?

Is every other manufacturer of cars with any self driving type functionality now an “AI” company to you?

[+] [email protected] -26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ugh you guys can be so deliberately obtuse. Yes, if a company makes revenue from an AI offering, and spends a significant amount of their money developing that AI offering then yes, it can be considered an AI company. Just because the feature is stupid or dangerous doesn’t invalidate that accounting.

Enjoy a little nuance from time to time.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What? you entirely missed the point. you are adding nuance where none is required.

Tesla is a car company. Just because musk says “we are AI now” doesn’t just magically make it so.

I could form a company that makes shoes. Can I suddenly announce I am an AI company?

Sure, maybe I use AI in my production, and maybe even develop my own models.

But its still a shoe company.

[+] [email protected] -23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Tesla has always invested heavily in their software. Just because it has always been shitty doesn't diminish that it was an outsized part of their business model, especially compared to other car companies

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

always invested heavily in their software

So wait, are you now saying they are a technology company? Can you please try and keep your mental gymnastics consistent?

Are you implying all car manufacturers are now AI or Technology companies? And are no longer automotive manufacturers?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

exactly. if you own a hammer, youre a construction firm, apparently.

[+] [email protected] -16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why must tech company and car company be mutually exclusive? Certainly the amount of technology (including ML) present in cars has increased exponentially in the last decade.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because they do not produce and sell independent AI technology

[+] [email protected] -10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I suppose I define AI company differently than you do. In my mind if a company is investing a large chunk of its operations budget in AI R&D, it is an AI company.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

By your logic tesla is also a logistics company (shipping cars), an industrial manufacturer of plant machinery (the machines to build the cars), a battery company (buying and investing in battery technology).

what do you call tesla? “An automotive, AI, logistics, industrial plant manufacturing, battery company”?

Do you agree with amber heard “I use pledging and donating as the same thing” when they clearly are not the same thing?

[+] [email protected] -8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I would absolutely call Tesla a battery company. Would you not? They've invested a huge amount in battery R&D and sell them direct to consumers as well as use them in their cars. The rest of that stuff isn't something they invested heavily in developing, ie. they didn't invest R&D in developing new logistics technology for shipping cars.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Any company that invests money into something is suddenly also part of that entire industry and they can label themselves whatever they please. Gotcha.

The supermarket I used to work for is now a software company, as they build software in house

The insurance company I used to work for is now an AI company, as we internally developed and used machine learning models.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The supermarket I used to work for is now a software company, as they build software in house

What % of that supermarket's operating expenses is software development? How big is their technology division compared to the full scale of the company? Do they invest R&D in developing novel technologies?

There are articles every day on Lemmy about how cars are becoming as high tech as smartphones. Is it so wrong to suggest that car companies are becoming a subset of tech companies?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

TIL the company I work at is an AI company since we develop software

[+] [email protected] -9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Do they develop ML software, models, or algorithms?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

by your own definition (implements custom ML), BMW, AUDI, etc are all now AI companies. as well has thousands of analytic firms.

a ceo is hyping a tool, and its not even fucking AI.

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