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[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

Hamas and friends should be obliterated, they are disgusting

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Noa Argamani, who was kidnapped from the Supernova Music Festival, said two other hostages were killed in Israeli airstrikes

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It'd be less credible if the IDF wasn't shooting half naked hostages asking for help and waving white flags.

Accidents hardly seem less likely.

And, quite frankly, they're probably better off as bombing collateral damage than a Hamas hostage Israel won't trade for anyways.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas hostage Israel won't trade for anyways.

However, the Israelis already did trade for hostages. But not for those that live rent free in some folks minds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I see, I see.

So Israel just wanted these ones dead then.

That or they ran out of Palestinian women and children to trade.

Wonder why they had them in the first place?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-west-bank/the-israel-hamas-prisoner-swap

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well Hostage blaming is one way to go I guess.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think you'll find I'm actually Bibi blaming, because he wanted this all to happen to cement his fascist rule, and he doesn't care how many people die to do it.

He doesn't want all the hostages, he needs excuses, just like how Bush refused the Taliban turning over Osama Bin Laden for a ceasefire.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Bibi will be out the door when the shooting stops.

The Taliban never had bin Laden to hand over.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Instead of "forced to reveal fate in sick video"

It should say what that fate is and, of course, provide an embedded video.

Edit after clicking article: No video, just some guy talking over images.

Downvoted for sensationalism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Anything from [email protected] is certain to be propaganda.

They're a genocide supporter.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For some comparison, here are the headlines from BBC:

"Israel Gaza war: Hamas video claims to show dead hostages"

... and Times of Israel:

"Hamas airs propaganda clip of hostages Noa Argamani, Yossi Sharabi, Itay Svirsky"

The Messenger's headline is trash. It's so sensationalized that I don't even know what it's talking about.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

? The article clearly states, well, what the claim is.

The three of them were in a building bombed by the IDF, one died.

Another died in a later airstrike.

True? Seems unlikely given the source of the video and appearance if duress.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Eh. True or not, but Israel strikes without much care and Hamas is known to use hostages as shields. So I wouldn't call it unlikely, just contextually kinda irrelevant. It's a shit show and both sides try to get brownie points / make the other one look more inhumane than the other.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Media bias / fact check for The Messenger:

Overall, we rate The Messenger Right-Center biased based on story selection and editorial perspectives that moderately favor the right. We also rate them as Mostly Factual in reporting rather than High due to the use of poor sources, sensationalized content, and one-sided reporting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So it's false because Israel bombed the building they were in and killed them, or it's false because Hamas released the video?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Unreliable =/= false. Even heavily biased outlets usually get their facts straight, but editorial choices like whom to quote, how to frame events, and what stories to cover can absolutely give a wrong impression. Especially if the audience isn't paying close attention.

You can take a fact like "two hostages were killed in an Israeli airstrike" and frame it as "look how indiscriminate the IDF bombings are" or "look how cowardly Hamas is". Those are two very different stories, but neither are "false".

Genuine fake news is pretty rare, unless the source is a random link from Xtwitter. Go fact check what you consider a heavily biased source and I think you'll be surprised.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It could just be a shitty source.

Saying 'forced to reveal fate' instead of saying what that fate is, coupled with 'sick video' instead of letting viewers decide for themselves make this appear as sensationalism.

It's also an article about a video that doesn't show the video its reporting on.

Instead, we get some guy talking over images. Lol.

There's a reason this isn't AP Or Reuters.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is what I don't get here. Why the hell do people interpret this as if it's spreading Israeli propaganda?

We know Hamas killed substantial number of innocent people and are keeping hostages.

We know these hostages are kept somewhere in Gaza.

We know Israel is bombing the shit out of Gaza, actively destroying civilian infrastructure.

What we learn from this is that Israel has indeed killed hostages in their indiscriminate bombing, that Hamas seem to be keeping hostages alive when they are not killed by Israeli bombs, and that being held hostage by Hamas in Gaza is still an awful situation to be in.

If this makes Hamas look bad it's because they are bad.

If you think it makes Israel look good you're sick in the head - this is triggered by them intentionally bombing Gaza until there's nothing left.

If you're upset that it makes a Jewish person look human then fuck right off you worthless piece of shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm upset because I'm Jewish and now I have to use a disclaimer "but fuck bibi"