Amazing, Lemmy.world admins are giant cucks who try to censor other people based on their beliefs.
You can ban me all you want but I'll keep coming back.
this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2023
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I understand that they are staunchly pro-communist and also take a pro-Palestine, including some of them (many of them?) a more clearly pro-Hamas stance. And that all of this could annoy many of the centrist liberals that seem to dominate here. But from perusing the lemmygrad link I do not see clear signs of hate speech, certainly not a clear hate speech agenda as you would see with some hate groups. And judging by the comments on here many seem to be happy to be “rid of them” because they are “annoying”, or “immature”, or “tankies”, or whatever. It really reads largely like “their opinions annoy me” so I’m glad they’re gone.
There may be more to it, I don’t know, but personally I wouldn’t like lemmy.world, an otherwise fine instance by all means, to become a centrist liberal silo where no other opinion outside (mostly US-centric) liberal orthodoxy is heard. So yeah, not convinced that this was the right decision, basically because of a lack of evidence.
Hexbear and Grad users defend genocidal regimes like Ruzzia and China. They excuse their crimes and argue in bad faith. I had so many insane discussions before I decided to block both of these instances entirely.
They are, by every single sense of the word, tankies.
Tankie is not just an oblivious term that has no meaning. It signifies a red fascist. It's like arguing that it's bad that we don't let neonazis in discussions. They do not care about discussing. All they want is to spread their disgusting ideas while hiding them behind leftism.
By defederating from these instances, we don't become less leftists. These people are not leftist.
This is not a slippery slope. It is a necessary step to ensure the growth of this website and actually worthwhile discussions.
I mostly agree, except:
These people are not leftist.
They are leftists, on top of the genocide they support they're also all for workers owning the means of production. Leftism isn't "when good," right isn't "when bad," left and right are economic distinctions symbolizing the people on one side and the aristocracy on the other. There can in fact be "bad leftists" just as there can be "bad rightoids." Bad people exist everywhere, not just at republican conventions.
These people are not leftist.
Why not?
If you support brutal totalian regimes, with your only excuse being "America bad," you only use leftist as a label, not a belief system.
I expect you need to look in the Lemmy.World moderation log to see to what degree lemmy.ml users were or were not problematic (I've no idea either way.)
Good idea, if anyone can point me to it or to specific examples, I would appreciate it. Also do not care enough to start an investigation by myself.
Fwiw, I wouldn’t judge an entire instance by a handful individual posts. Users will be users. But still, some evidence would be a lot better than no evidence. Plenty of evidence would be even better.
No one owes you anything. If you don't like it, move instances. If you want the evidence, go find it. It's pretty easy, and you don't need to be handholded to get there. You're talking like you're a decision maker for a decision that's already been made and for which you have no authority.
Oh no! How will I stay informed about the great utopias of places like China and North Korea???
May I see the hate speech?
I just gotta say, the moderation here makes me so happy I joined this instance.
I've read a few posts from that instance and just no. I myself are on the left but both lemmygrad and lemmy.ml is just not places I go to.
Lemmy.ml is perfectly fine and I'm there sometimes. I signed up there because it was described as being specifically free-software focused, though in reality it's mostly a meme farm just like here. Lemmygrad is much weirder and I only looked at it for a minute or so. Its crazier political angles looked like mostly trolling to me, but who knows.
It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material. That would allow both sides to debate how they judge such behavior.
Right now there are celebrating comments but I haven't seen bad behavior myself, even in heated debates. That let's me assume that many are thin skinned or unable to refute lemmygrad's political opinion.
If I understand lemmy correctly then banning lemmygrad will prevent its users from participating in any debate on a lemmy. world community. Does a lemmy instance exist that federated with everybody where important communities should be hosted?
It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material.
Duh. They already have. It's there all day every day. Peruse it as often as you like, at your own convenience. You can even filter by removed posts, removed comments, and banned users:
Modlog tells you all you need to know. Unless, of course, you don't actually want to know it and you're just JAQing us all off, lol.
Right now there are celebrating comments but I haven’t seen bad behavior myself, even in heated debates.
That's because the moderators here are very, VERY good at what they do -- which again, you'd know if you'd looked at the modlog.
Does a lemmy instance exist that federated with everybody where important communities should be hosted?
No one knows what "important communities" are to you. Stop looking for mind readers and start looking for instances that do not defederate for any reason, because they are out there.
You're not trapped here. You have options. Take them.
Have you actually read through that modlog? Lemmygrad is a tiny fraction of it.
Yes, that's how I know about it. When I want to find something specific I filter by action, and then I simply skim.
It's a little time consuming, but not at all difficult.
The person to whom I was responding wanted a selection of offending comments, here it is:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveComment
I will note that usually the number of removed comments is so low that one page, maybe a page and a half will cover a full 24 hour period.
From what I saw when I looked at it just now -- over five pages of removed shite in just half that time, 12 hours -- I support the admins' actions even more than I did when I first posted. And I didn't think that was possible.
There is no way to filter modlog by user instance. After a few minutes pressing Next for removed comments and ctrl-f for lemmygrad.ml I didn't find anything, but it looks like sometimes the instance url isn't in the text anyway so maybe ctrl-f won't even work here. It isn't actually easy to find these examples.
It isn’t actually easy to find these examples.
Yes, it actually is:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveComment
You now have pages upon pages of offensive content through which you may browse at your leisure, which is what that commenter to whom I responded was demanding:
It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material.
And there it is. If you wanted to find lemmygrad-specific material in there, I don't think you actually tried because it is certainly there in abundance. I was able to find numerous examples just by hovering a mouse over the usernames.
Good Job! You make my experience of Lemmy continuously better! You cleaned that CSAM up with the speed of light (I've never even noticed it), you managed the Piracy Community Troubles very well and now you made an well thought through decision about Lemmygrad. Well done Mods! And thank you all very much!
A well thought through decision that gives no examples or arguments?
With the timing, I have to assume the reason is "they support Palestine."
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