Actually I've read studies saying people who took their full PTO tended to get better year over year raises.
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I had a coworker whose kids got sick back to back and then his wife, and then he got ill too. By March, he had no PTO and had to cancel his vacation that summer. He was worn the fuck out come summer. I think he was able to flex to work "four tens" here and there, but it sucks that "sick" and "vacation" are not only the same bucket, but could get you punished.
As a European I can't grasp this concept. As if sickness is something somebody chooses by will.
I've worked at companies where sick days are part of PTO and others where sick days are separate. In the past 2 years, I've had 1 with pti covering it all and 2 with separate vacation and sick accruals.
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But that doesn't make sense even in capitalist mindset. Finding another specialist is going to take time and resources. Plus, this is apparently a very good employee, already tested. The new one will likely be not as good if this one is perfect.
I understand that this comic is a hyperbole, but seems like firing people over using their sick leave is financially detrimental.
It doesn't make sense but it happens constantly, especially in low-level environments Where Heads Are a dime a dozen, it's usually not straight out being terminated however it's done in the case of yeah you did everything perfectly but we can't financially afford to give you a higher rating than average. Which does more or less the same thing cuz it tells the employee well it's time to go elsewhere so they're going to be doing training costs anyway
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It most definitely is, and it is such an idiotic mindset when actual number crunching happens.
Employee A: Been here for a year (due to getting a performance review in the comic), already trained, already knows much about the system and environment, apparently perfect Gets fired for using a sick day
Employee B: newly hired (since we fired the last guy), needs to be trained (as each work environment can be totally different even in the same field), knows next to nothing about the work flow or systems or environment, might be perfect but we won’t know for sure until next year or until they mess something up really bad Loss of money on training someone for a role that used to be filled by a person who was already engrained into the work
= a really fucking dumb way of looking at how you handle management
The new person could also use EVEN MORE sick days or whatever. Just…? Brain… are you there…?
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As a German I find the concept of "allotted sick days" disturbing.
What if I told you that it usually also takes away from your vacation days?
So if you get sick too often, no vacation for you that year.
That’s sick (pun intended). Over here it’s the other way around: When we get sick during a vacation, we get the vacation days back.
Take your civilised attitude and get out of here!
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My sick days and PTO are the same. I have a chronic illness I'm working with doctors to treat. Between occasional sick days, and doctors visits, I never get a vacation day
That really sucks. I've never had a job where they separated PTO and sick days. They just pool them together.
I've worked at companies that do both. There are pros and cons to each. Sick days are usually not paid out if your employment ends. But if you just have PTO, that would be paid out.
The worst of all is so called unlimited PTO.
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I've been lucky enough to always have a job in the public sector and it's very common they are completely separate. Likely less pay, but far better retirement system than most private sector jobs.
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Yeah WTF, what if you get sick again? Do you tell the flu to sit it out or prepetuate the epidemic?
You get everyone else sick, like Supply Side Jesus intended!
Believe it out not, straight to jail.
I was always told to never call in sick. If you’re sick, you go to work and only if the manager says to go home should you leave work.
Shit that doesn't even save you at some places. I was working and started feeling shitty ended up having a 103° fever, and was sent home. It still counted as an absence against me during my review.
So compare that with my experience of a few years ago when one of my relatives had an accident, and I was the one who could care for them for a few weeks.
Their conversation with their boss:
- Hey boss, I had an accident, I'll be out of work for a bit.
- Oh, what happened?
- Look, I would rather not talk about it.
- When are you coming back?
- It will most likely be a month.
- Okay, see you in a month then.
My conversation:
- Hey HR person, I need two weeks of care leave to care for a relative.
- Okay, see you in two weeks!
And that was all that's legally required of us, and legally permitted to the employers. We were both fully paid for the leave, as both employers were insured for exactly this. And the sky hasn't fallen, and the GDP is up, and we still live in a prosperous first world country.
Damn that sounds nice.
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Again, WTF?
Yes
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Is this one of those comics where you have to laugh otherwise you'd cry because it's so true?
I'm so glad for the German worker's rights. I practically can't be fired for being sick.
In fact you can’t be fired at all (in the sense of "leave immediately and we won’t pay you anymore“) unless you really fuck up (like, assault your superior or something along those lines).
That's not true. The hurdles are high but you can get fired for sickness.
That's what "practically" implies. It's possible, but firing someone in a legal way is really really hard. Most fired employees just take the hint, but that doesn't mean it's legal to fire them.
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