Never thought I see the day where AMD is praised for their single threaded performance.
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Bruh this is as bad of a failure rate like the time Nvidia screwed up their chips and both Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 were having insane chip failures.
Friendship ended with Intel. Now AMD is my best friend.
AMD will be able to raise prices, unfortunately.
Hope ARM can get more into the desktop PC marketplace so we can have more competition. Someday Intel will stop taking Ls and try for a Monopoly again.
That’s a very high failure rate and this could hurt Intel long term.
50%?
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
These are absolutely disastrous numbers. This is worse than I would expect from illegally sources parts.
I'm curious about the timeframe for failures though. Like, if these machines are being used for feature film VFX, I wouldn't be surprised if the CPU is running at near 100%, 24/7 for months on end. If it fails after 6 months under those conditions, a typical home user might be able to go years without an issue. Of course, there would probably be unlucky people who have problems long before that.
It's also interesting that we're not hearing anything from Amazon, Google or Microsoft. They use Intel-based servers and they also push them hard. Are they not seeing these problems, or are they just not talking about them? If they're not seeing them, is it safe to push the affected Intel CPUs hard as long as you avoid very specific code / algorithms?
The news is about Core i9 CPUs, which are the enthusiast / possibly workstation offering by Intel with high single core clock speeds. Amazon, Google and Microsoft use server CPUs which usually don't feature such high speeds, but rather focus on more cores and more possible RAM.
However, if a vendor sells a product with the main feature of high clock speeds and the product fails when I'm using that exact feature for prolonged periods of time, I'd say it's faulty.
Amazon, Google and Microsoft probably do mostly use server CPUs, but I'd be surprised if there weren't a few special projects that used specialized desktop CPUs. And, at their scale "a few special projects" probably means a few hundred machines.
But yeah, clearly these CPUs are faulty.
This is probably a worse rate than all those motherboards years ago with the fucked up capacitors.
We had fucking stacks of them.
Why are grey market CPU parts more prone to failure? For GPUs I can understand due to possible mining usage, but CPUs too?
Grey market chips usually include chips that failed quality assurance to prop up numbers.
Most CPUs I've found in these Chinese sites claim they're used parts, probably from old servers from Chinese companies, which explains the amount of Xeons being offered. But if the part comes in the original box, why would Intel/AMD create an official package for these failed QA parts?
If they're swiping failed QA chips, it's easy to swipe a couple boxes at the same time.
Counterfeit packaging seems easy enough to produce.
Especially if the original CPUs are being packaged up in China. The people selling used / counterfeit processors could just go to the same source and get the same boxes.
I'm ready for the eBay batch purchase.....batch of 10 please!
Better off buying from Temu at that failure rate.
Is it just the UE Oodle compression that is exposing the flaws or are non-gaming workloads affected?
Anything that pushes the CPUs significantly can cause instability in affected parts. I think there are at least two separate issues Intel is facing:
- Voltage irregularities causing instability. These could potentially be fixed by the microcode update Intel will be shipping in mid-August.
- Oxidation of CPU vias. This issue cannot be fixed by any update, any affected part has corrosion inside the CPU die and only replacement would resolve the issue.
Intel's messaging around this problem has been very slanted towards talking as little as possible about the oxidation issue. Their initial Intel community post was very carefully worded to make it sound like voltage irregularity was the root cause, but careful reading of their statement reveals that it could be interpreted as only saying that instability is a root cause. They buried the admission that there is an oxidation issue in a Reddit comment, of all things. All they've said about oxidation is that the issue was resolved at the chip fab some time in 2023, and they've claimed it only affected 13th gen parts. There's no word on which parts number, date ranges, processor code ranges etc. are affected. It seems pretty clear that they wanted the press talking about the microcode update and not the chips that will have the be RMA'd.
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